Hook: A Childhood Favorite or a Cinematic Misstep?

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:01:10

Foreign Rufio. Hello, systematic geekology. We are the priests of the geeks.

I am one of your hosts, Kevin Schaefer, and we are here with another episode of our Rotten Film Drive in series where we look at movies that have a 30% or less rating on Rotten Tomatoes and talk about whether we think they deserve that or whether they don't. Spoiler alert on this one. I think this is a crime than this movie is on that list. We'll get into that.

going to be Talking about the: 1991

that TJ and Laura did on the: 2000

and I did Fantastic Four, the: 2005

So a lot of fun. But yes, I am Kevin Schaefer and I am here with Evan Garcia. Evan, how are you today?

Evan Garcia: 00:02:37

Doing well, Kevin, thank you. Yes, I too am shocked that we're sitting here today reviewing this film under these circumstances. It seems criminal.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:02:47

It just like, you know, we're going to get into. I, I mean I do have a, I'll go and say up front, I have like a special really love for this movie. So I'm maybe a little biased.

But I also, I can look at things objectively and I just think, you know, is like we'll get well. Well, you'll get into more thoughts here. But yes, I just, I have a hard time even listing this under the category of rhyme zones.

k is a movie that came out in: 1991

As I said, is it about. It is about the grown up Peter Pan played by Robin Williams who he does not remember that he ever was Peter Pan. He's now an adult.

He has a family and he knows that he was an orphan, but he really doesn't remember anything. About his childhood before he came into the care of Granny Wendy, who is of course the older version of Wendy from the classic Peter Pan story.

But he only really knows her as the woman who helped raise him. And so now he's an adult. He's very much a business workaholic.

This is a, a classic 90s trope of the, you know, the father figure being so consumed by work and being distant from his kids and all that.

So it starts off with that and him, his wife and his two kids, Shaq and Maggie, they go to London to actually visit Granny Wendy while she is being honored for all her years long contributions running an orphanage and you know, giving kids like he's probably. His name is Peter Banning here again, he doesn't know who he is Peter Pan.

And so he's one of many kids who was given, you know, a home and an upbringing because of Wendy. And so they're honoring her. And while this is going on, the kids are kidnapped by Captain Hook.

So Captain Hook enters the world of London, you know, leaves in their little and comes kidnaps them. And this is when Wendy reveals to Peter who he really is. And he. And at first he doesn't believe it, you know, he's.

But then, you know, in a desperation to save his kids, he is a whisked away to Neverland by Tinkerbell, played by Julia Roberts. And when they get there, he just wants to get his kids and get back.

But Captain we find the Captain Hook, played by Dustin Hoffman is bent on revenge and bent on this epic war he wants between him and Peter so he can get his revenge and he can have this epic duel. But he comes to learn that, you know, Peter Pan has forgotten who he is. He's just this, you know, middle aged dude who has no.

He doesn't know how to fight, he doesn't auto fight, he doesn't know how to do anything. And Captain Hook is now just like reluctant to do anything and he wants to just, you know, kill off him and the kids.

Tinker Bell then convinces him to give him three days or give her three days to train Peter, get him back in shape and they can have their big epic battle and you know, Captain Hook can be happy. And so Captain Hook reluctantly agrees and he keeps the kids on board while Tinkerbell goes and trains him a lot of stuff. Other happens.

There is now a new leader of the Lost Boys named Rufio, played by Dante Vasco, who I got to meet at GalaxyCon last year.

Evan Garcia: 00:06:12

Great name, great name.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:06:13

In Avatar Last Driven. I love Dante Bosco. I love Rufio, one of my favorite characters. And so, so needless to say, Rufio is a challenger to Peter.

He's reluctant to, you know, hand over his title to again, this middle aged guy with no real skills. And so then the movie plays out as this journ of Peter rediscovering who he is, learning how to fly again, learning how to lead the Lost Boys.

And meanwhile, Captain Hook is trying to lure his son, Peter's son Jack over to his side and be kind of the fog in their figure that Peter hasn't been for him all these years. And, and so he's working on that and then, you know, the story plays out. They do get the big epic battle in the end.

Peter and Rufio reconcile and they fight together. Sadly, Rufio is killed in battle by Captain Hook and you know, that further spawns Peter to fight. Fight him. They eventually win the battle.

There's also a romance thing with him and Tinkerbell with Tinkerbell's like in love with Peter. So that's explored. And then, yeah, at the end, you know, Peter does become the hero for his kids. They look up to him.

And at the very end, he hands over the mantle of Peter Pan to one of the Lost boys and then he goes back home with his family. And, you know, I was happy that there's a lot of other details there, but. But that's kind of the overview there. So.

Yeah, so that's just a little bit about now again, I'm gonna, I'll get more into what, what this movie means to me. But Evan, if we had just left the drive in theater and seeing this movie for the first time, what do you think your reaction would be?

Or maybe the first thing you would say? I. I know you had a very pretty visceral reaction to Fantastic Four. I think this one will be a little different. But, but I can just.

What do you think your thoughts would be coming out?

Evan Garcia: 00:08:09

Coming. If it was me right now, coming out of the theater, I would have been. I would have been more of a.

Let's go get some pizza to wash out some of the two out of two out of two to kind of make up the time that we kind of miss. But yet we like to talk about it still covers of pizzas.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:08:29

Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I, I mean, I. Well, and I think you bring up a good point too of like, you know, when.

Well, I wasn't quite born yet. I was born in 93, so wasn't quite Remember when this movie comes out? But it was still a staple of my childhood, so.

But I think you bring up a good point in terms of reaction to this movie as a kid and an adult seeing this for the first time would be very different. Like, I. That's why it's kind of hard for me to look at this movie objectively. I'm trying to try.

But again, this was a favorite of mine as a child and for many years, and it stayed with me all these years. I watched it so many times on vhs. Kids, if you don't know, VHS was this thing where you had a tape of a movie you put into a player.

It was the predecessor to DVDs. We don't have DVD. Yes. Be kind. Rewind. Oh, the best.

Like, and actually if you go to Alamo Drafthouse, like the one in Raleigh, and then I have like, they have a VHS player there that you can rent.

Evan Garcia: 00:09:25

All right.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:09:27

Yeah, yeah.

Evan Garcia: 00:09:28

This film was huge for me because I was like five or six when this came out. I remember seeing it in theaters, like watching the clips because I couldn't watch the whole film. I had too much. I had too much going on.

So I watched some clips of it and it just came flooding back to me. Like I remember who I was with, what theater. I remember the, the. The car ride after.

I was like, I gotta get myself a Rufio toy or something like that because his hair was badass. And just like, oh, it was the best hair. It was great. It was great. And the wolfie, yo. And then the alligator falling on hook like that.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:10:14

Yeah.

Evan Garcia: 00:10:14

That's something that's always been burned into my brain for some reason.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:10:18

So.

Evan Garcia: 00:10:19

So yeah, this is a memorable film. I get it that it could. That sometimes that's not enough to make it a good film. But from what I was.

From, from what I was watching and now as an adult and seeing your recap of it, I relate to it just a little bit differently. And it's not bad. It's just different.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:10:45

It is. And that's the thing. I think I would have a different reaction if I was seeing this for the first time as a 31 year old.

Evan Garcia: 00:10:52

Sure.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:10:53

When I was a kid growing up on it. And when I was a kid too, Peter Pan was my favorite Disney movie and character.

Now that's one perception that has changed because there are some horribly outdated, very racist stereotypes that I was not cognizant of as a kid. That's a whole nother topic. But still, theater Pan was my favorite. I always loved the story I love the story of Leo the. The kid who didn't grow up.

And, you know, he's fighting pirates and he's going on adventures with all the Lost Boys. So that always, you know, was really captured my imagination. And then seeing this movie at a young age, too, it had it.

It was very much a reverence to that classic story by J.M. barry. And this is a Spielberg movie, so it has that sense of wonder and magic to it that so many of his other classics have.

And, you know, and again, looking at it objectively, yes. Can I see faults here? Absolutely. I mean, does this movie need to be two and a half hours? I don't think so.

You know, there's a lot of, like, yeah, it is almost two. It's almost two and a half hours. There's like. I mean, It's a good 40 minutes in the opening before we get to Neverland.

There's a lot, you know, at the beginning where, you know, it's. Again, I said earlier that one of the biggest 90s tropes was the workaholic father.

Evan Garcia: 00:12:09

Santa Claus and all that.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:12:11

Yes, the exact. The Santa Claus. I mean, even. I mean, jum.

Evan Garcia: 00:12:15

That's right.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:12:16

Because. Yeah. Which Robin Williams wasn't, of course.

And then, you know, and it wasn't, you know, his character, but it was like his father, when he's a kid, he had that. So, like, this was like J. Cope. And they established it early on. I feel like they hammer it in a little too much. Like, it's like, okay, we get it.

You know, you're distant from your kids. You're, you know, ignoring while, you know, they have these years with them to really spend that quality time.

So that's kind of like pretty ham fisted. And then. Yeah, it takes a minute for the Captain Hook scene to happen and then for the Tinkerbell to show up and him and Peter to go to Neverland.

So, yeah, there is a lot you could cut down here. I also, you know, one of the things I thought was interesting. I can't remember why I saw this.

It was a quote from somewhere where someone said, like, this movie is like a musical, that it should have been a musical, and it has all the tenets of one. But there's no musical.

Evan Garcia: 00:13:15

I see that. And that has, like, the heart.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:13:18

It has the heart of a musical and, you know, the structure of it really well.

You could very much see these moments of dramatic weight where they busted to song and then it doesn't happen, you know, And I think, like, that actually, you know, that got Me thinking like that would have been really interesting, you know, because Spielberg to this day has only ever done one musical adaptation. That was west side Story a few years ago, which I highly recommend. It's a great movie, but.

But yeah, this one I think could have been that, you know, the script really lends itself to that genre really well. But, but yeah, but again, I do have like a really fun connection with this movie. Again, I grew up on it. I just, you know, and actually. Right, okay.

So Evan, before we started recording and you said that you didn't get a chance to re watch this recently, I recommended one scene in particular that I think, you know, always gets me and it also really captures the tone of the movie and that is the scene when Peter is at the dinner table with all the Lost boys and he's like so hungry. He's like, oh, I can't wait. You know, and you. It looks like all this food is being prepared and then they open the plates and there's nothing there.

But all the lost boys are like looking like they're eating and they're digging in. They're like, come on Peter, eat up. You know, like, you know, eat. And he's like, what are you talking about? Like Gandhi ate more than this.

You know, like, and then it builds up to. They have this like insult contest between Peter and Rufio and then what happens is it's.

Peter starts to unlock his imagination and then the food shows up in his mind and you realize like, that's the magic of Neverland and it's all based on imagination and this childlike wonder. And that is, I think captures the tone of the movie so well. And you said after watching that scene that's what brought memories back for you.

Evan Garcia: 00:15:07

For sure. For sure. And it also brought the two parts of me together.

Like the little six year old that's obsessed and he's just only worried about the little Caesars that we're going to eat on the way home. You know, it's like, and then the middle aged dad with the jaw and the mortgage and all that.

It kind of blended both together and, and I could see, I could see it from both sides and I could relate to Pete and be like, there's, there are times where I have to remember and to not force myself but to remind myself that, that sometimes it's good to have a childlike perspective on things and you can use your imagination. Things don't have to be so literal and so, so buttoned down and so, and, and so perfect. So that kind of that was a good spot for me to see.

That was a good clip for me to see and to resonate and to see how that's resonated with me now and how I see it as a kid, when I was. When I was younger. So. And the, and the. And I wanted to know that the frosting they used looked so delicious. I want to go get a cake right now.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:16:31

Dude. The food there just looks amazing around. Once they, once it does come on screen. Oh, it's. It's just like it's so scuffed and that will.

We'll get into later when we do our question about, you know, what snack would you have this movie? But, but, yeah, but.

And again, you know, I think one of the things about Spielberg definitely is that, you know, he's either loved or ignored for his over use of sentimentality. And this is very much a sentimental.

Evan Garcia: 00:17:02

The sound effects and the zooming. Yeah.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:17:06

Yes. And I mean, like, again, I think I just between watching this movie as a kid and seeing some of my favorite movies, I don't mind that.

I think, you know, Spielberg does sentimentality like no one else. And so it works here.

But I can see that as a criticism where, you know, you get a critic here who, especially if, like this was, let's see, a couple of years before Jurassic park.

This is obviously after ET But I could see a lot of critics here giving this a low score alone for just the overt use of sentimentality and pulling out your heartstrings, because it does that relentlessly. And you know, that, you know, at the end, of course, Jack is going to, you know, reunite with Peter.

It's, you know, it's not going to have some dark ending there. Like, he's gonna rediscover himself and, you know, there. And he's gonna run to his kids and all that. So, you know, all that is in the works.

And, you know, you have the John Williams score and everything else, you know, it all comes together. But, you know, I, I do think there are probably other reasons why it got a low score.

I still, you know, again, I don't think this deserves to be in the category of, like, rotten film because there are issues with the movie. It's not a perfect script by any means. Like, you know, I'd say more so it doesn't need to be this long.

You know, there's things you can edit, make tighter, and it is a lot of emotion. This is mentality. But to have this at a. What is it, 29% tomato meter right here, that to me is absurd.

I just think that critics just were really reluctant to, you know, allow themselves to feel anything at all and appreciate the, you know, the family themes of the movie and how it is a really good action adventure one and you know, and it, and it captures the story of Peter Pan really well. So I think it is overly criticized. Are there issues with it? Sure.

But I could see this being more of a like mid range movie to critics rather than a failure now might.

Evan Garcia: 00:19:03

Be a stupid question, but these, these ratings are like modern day ratings. They're not from 30 years ago. Right.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:19:12

Well, it's a collection of like all the way. So on Rotten Tomatoes. And this is, I mean, so this is my other thing. He's like, I'm not a fan of Rotten Tomatoes at all.

And I think it's like one of the worst things for movie culture because it assigns an algorithm to a movie. Rather than allow people to just feel what they want and develop object, you know, their own opinions about it, it just creates this like rift.

So I hate it as a whole anyway. And I don't really, I never like look at Rotten Tomatoes to determine whether I'm going to see a movie or not.

Even if I movie is getting bad reviews, I want to see it for myself and really determine that. So I hate it in general. But on Rotten Tomato, so I'm looking at the page right now. It has a 20% Tomatometer based on 65 reviews.

I think a lot of those are from back when it came out. Some are more modern. So it's a culmination. And then, but then you will get to see.

This is the thing, the audience score, the popcorn meter is 76% which you know, so that tells you, right alone there is a disparity here between the critical reception of the movie.

Evan Garcia: 00:20:18

Yeah.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:20:18

And the more mainstream reception. So um, so I think that's a factor as well. But, but yeah, I mean, I just hate the algorithm in general and how it, you know, is assigned.

I mean even because you think about it, it's like there are still going to be good reviews in that range there, but they get muddled under, you know, if it's an overwhelmingly negative one, they just get looped in there. And so I don't really like how the scores are presented but. But yeah, that, you know, it was not a, you know, critical success by any means.

And you know, there.

And I, I think this is one, you know, I think of another 90s movie too that also got blasted by critics at the time and is for a lot of Kids who grew up on it. One of the favorites. And that's a Goofy movie, which there is a whole documentary about that on Disney plus that's actually really good.

And you know, that was a, you know, very meaningful movie for 90s kids that got absolutely blasted by critics at the time.

Evan Garcia: 00:21:13

Yeah.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:21:13

And now it's had this enduring legacy. I think Hook is similar to that in respect because, you know, it had a lot of us who grew up.

Robin Williams loved it and Robin Williams, I mean, like, it's just, you know, and, and he brings like, you know, both his dramatic and comedic chops to the role because, you know, he has the scene early on where he yells at his kids because they're interrupting him on a business call.

And then, you know, later on he has all these moments as Peter Pan where he's flying around and, and doing all this stuff and then, you know, and, and the use your imagination scene. I love the insult, you know, war between him and Rufio. It's classic. But also. Oh, since you brought up the alligator earlier.

Evan Garcia: 00:21:56

Okay.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:21:56

Yeah. So this is one of those things too that like, it's.

This is an interesting thing about like the effects and the fights and stuff, the action in this movie, because I think from a visual standpoint, there are a lot of. There's a lot of really good scenery and imagery here.

I really like the aesthetic of Neverlands and how you can see the different parts of the pirate ship and the Lost boys and the mermaids and everything. But I think the fight scenes are probably among the weakest stuff.

You know, like when they have this like alligator statue just like come and consume it is like really corny.

Evan Garcia: 00:22:28

Yeah.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:22:28

I mean, it's iconic for the movie, but it also, that is, it's such.

Evan Garcia: 00:22:33

It was a choice for sure.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:22:35

It was a choice first. Yeah. And you know, and I just.

And like, and like, yeah, sometimes the comedic aspects undermine some of the more dramatic weights or like they don't mesh as well. And so. Yeah, that's why I said like, again, I get the criticism here. I don't get the overt criticism.

Evan Garcia: 00:22:53

Yeah, yeah, like, sure, there are. It. It's heavy handed, but. But this still fits within the story because that's the whole point of the story of it.

I'm from, from what I was picking up. So this seems, seems lopsided, you know.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:23:11

Yeah. And I also know. So, you know, another big point that was crit, this one. I mean, rightfully so. It was a weird plot point, but.

So Tinkerbell is in love with Peter Here.

Evan Garcia: 00:23:20

Oh, yeah.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:23:20

And Peter is married. And so they do have like, they have a kiss scene later on in the movie when he discovers it's not.

Yeah, like, so it's a weird scene where Tinkerbell essentially blows up into like regular human size versus fairy. And. And then, yeah, she makes out with Peter in this like, nighttime scene. Like, it's like on the eve of before they go to battle with Captain Hook.

And then, you know, and then she kisses them. And then he's like, moira. Moira. His wife's name, you know, and he's like, I. I love Moira. And it's like, okay, this was a little. Just.

I mean, technically, yeah, he did. He has like an affair moment with a fairy who he grew up with. And. Yeah, that's a weird thing, you know. And do I think that was necessary?

No, you know, and I think it's just because it was two of the biggest actors at the time, Robin Williams and Julia Roberts, and they kind of like forced that in there. And it's again, it's another.

Evan Garcia: 00:24:18

I could see.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:24:19

That feels very much like. Right, yeah, it's another thing that feels very much like a musical trope. Like, you couldn't.

You totally see a Tinkerbell song at that moment where she's like dressing her.

Evan Garcia: 00:24:30

Because. Because Tinkerbell did speak in this one, right? A little bit.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:24:33

Oh, she speaks a lot.

Evan Garcia: 00:24:34

Yeah.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:24:34

I mean, so. So that's the thing. It's not like in the cartoon or the. Where I think about silence. No, she's a. She's a regular talk. She's very talkative in it.

Like to the point where in the opening scene, when. Or not the open, but the first scene with her when she comes to pick up Peter in London. Yeah. No, she's talking and talking and. And they have this. So.

No, that.

That's one of the biggest differences between this version and sort of the classic Peter Pan mythology that's very different is that she's very talkative. They have regular dialogue throughout.

And again, she's the one who convinces Captain Hook to not kill Peter and the kids initially when, you know, Peter's not, you know, he remembers and she convinces him to give him. To give them three days to train Peter and get him back into shape and, you know, resume with the battle.

Evan Garcia: 00:25:27

A little bit off topic. Was this before or after the Mario Brothers movie?

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:25:33

Oh, good question.

Evan Garcia: 00:25:34

Because. Because a six year old me would have been, oh my gosh, look, it's Mario from that weird movie.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:25:42

Let me look that up right now. Because let's see.

Evan Garcia: 00:25:45

Because he plays me, right?

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:25:47

s.: 1993

Evan Garcia: 00:25:53

Okay.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:25:54

So: 1993

Evan Garcia: 00:25:55

It was flipped then probably.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:25:57

That's. Yep. But I'm glad you brought that up because I do. That's another thing. I think the cast is pretty great. I love Bob. I love Bob Hoskins as Mr. Smee.

I like, you know, Maggie Smith is the. Is Granny Wendy here? You know, and then. And again, Dante Bosco. This was like his big breakout role as Rufio.

And he's one of my favorite voice actors of all time.

Evan Garcia: 00:26:18

Yeah.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:26:19

And so, you know, like I, and again, I got to meet him last year. Rufio was the first thing I said to him and he was like baggering. He was awesome. But. But yeah, it is.

And that Rufio is another example of like, this is such a 90s movie because I mean, here the Lost Boys are. For whatever reason, they have Rollerblades.

Evan Garcia: 00:26:38

Yeah.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:26:40

Because again, it's the next. It was such.

Evan Garcia: 00:26:43

Everyone was rollerblading.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:26:44

Yes. They're rollerboarding rollerblading here. Rufio's costume and everything is so peak 90s.

Evan Garcia: 00:26:51

Yeah.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:26:52

And. And you know, and, and that's what, you know, this is a movie I really want to show to my niece. My niece is staying with us this week.

I really want to show her if she'll sit through the entire thing because I just wonder, is it this going to resonate with kids today or is it, you know, pretty of its time? You know, I'm really curious what reaction will be there. But. But yeah. So, you know, again, all the criticisms are valid. Is it a perfect movie?

By no means. But I also don't think it ever deserved to be blasted in the way it was. I think it really does have some pretty good themes to it.

And yeah, there's a lot I love about this movie. And again, that scene of the. You're using your imagination. Peter is one of my all time favorites. And I love the John Williams score there.

It's absolute blast.

Evan Garcia: 00:27:38

So the lens change from when, like from the rest of the scene to when the, when the frosting shows up on the spoon. There's. There's a different lens used.

And that was something that I just picked up on that, that I would have only picked up on that on the feeling side of it.

But Steven Spielberg is smart to use that for the kids back then for, for those of us watching to, to make it click that there's a switch in Peter's brain into into the scene and.

And now seeing that now is kind of cool that I can catch that now and think of me when I was 6 years old and see how that affected me because I remember how that felt.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:28:29

And dude, like, that's one of the things that will make Spielberg forever one of the greatest directors of all time. It's just like his. The way his camera work is so seamless and it really takes you into the world of his movies that you.

Like you said that's the beauty, that's the mark of a great filmmaker, is when you're not even thinking about it because you're so. You feel like you're transported to another world. And he does that because he is such a wizard with camera work.

And, you know, he really can immerse you into the story and he knows exactly how, what effect an angle will have on a character on a setting.

And like, even thinking about this movie, the, the transition going from London to first in Neverland, and when we first get to Neverland, Peter is Tinkerbell, takes him to the pirate ship and his face is covered with eye patch and all that stuff. And then. And he takes it off. And that's when you get to see the pirate ship for the first time through his eyes. Right. So through his point of view.

And I think that has such a strong effect, you know, so. Yeah, so. So again, I mean, this is a movie yes, I will forever love. It's hard for me to be biased in a way because I grew up on it.

I have a deep rooted nostalgia for it. But I also sincerely enjoy it as a doll.

It's one I watch if maybe not every year, but I would say every couple years or so I have to give it a rewatch because it's always a comfort viewing for me. Particularly I like it around the holidays because it has that kind of like Christmasy feel to it when, you know, especially because it's a.

It's winter time when they're in London. And so it's always just, you know, when I want to just feel good, I turn on this movie. It's just one of those comrade classics.

I do again, recognize the flaws, but. But also, you know, we mentioned this one also. Obviously parenthood here is a big theme of it.

And then like you said to the childlike wonder and you know how that can be lost a little bit when you get older. And rediscovering that is really important. Are there any other themes or anything that kind of resonated with you? Stick out.

Evan Garcia: 00:30:39

I got a sense of the motivation for Hook now, which I didn't have before. I just thought he was just the whole bad guy. I haven't seen the whole film, so I don't know, I forgot what is his thing, you know, so.

But I just remember being. Oh no, that. That's Hook and Boo and I will.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:30:59

I mean, partly because they get Dustin Hoffman to play so, you know, bring in an A list actor. They try to make it, you know, less cartoonish. But. But I think with. Yeah, he is bent on revenge.

He wants to be seen as respectable by those around him and. And you know, and, and I. And that smart. If you remember at the end, right before the alligator comes on him, we learned that he's bald.

He has actually.

Evan Garcia: 00:31:25

Okay. Yeah.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:31:27

So a lot of that is. Yeah. Is maintaining his honors.

And that's why he's so bent on revenge is because he was humiliated by Peter, who was a boy at the time when he lost the battle to him all years ago, you know, and then, you know, his. His hand was eaten by the crocodile and all that. So it's about reclaiming his honor and you know, putting away that shame he feels.

And also on that note, so there is a scene where.

And this is probably one of the more problematic ones too because it is, you know, created in a kind of comedic way, but where Hook is about to kill himself and then he doesn't. But. But he, you know, he gets like smee to stop him.

And so yes, I think this version of Hook feels very much deep rooted shame and he has sense of honor.

Evan Garcia: 00:32:12

He'S trying to reclaim.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:32:14

So that's. I'm glad you brought that up. And it's again, like they didn't. There's a reason they didn't call the movie grown up Peter Pan.

They called it Hulk, you know, because. Interesting because Hulk and Peter Pan are so interlinked, you know, and. Yeah, so I'd say that was one of the things interesting about it. But.

But yeah, so I would say, you know, wrap it up here before we get into the question. I would say if you've never seen Hook, I highly recommend.

You know, and I would be really curious for people's thoughts on this one, particularly if you didn't grow up on it. You know, what is your thoughts on it now? Or if you watch it with your family. I, I think it is very appropriate family movie. Yeah.

And like, I'm sure there's some stuff, but. But it's very much a PG movie. So it's a good family one to watch. I'D be really curious. Like, if you have kids, what do they think about it?

Evan Garcia: 00:33:00

I do want to get my kids watching me.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:33:03

Yeah. I just want to. I am. That's what I'm really curious because I'm so attached to it. I kind of do want to step back and see.

Okay, what do other people say about it today if they're watching it? You know, So I, you know, But. But it will forever be a classic for me. Always when I feel good once and again.

I cannot believe I have to talk about it in the Rottenville Drive in series because it should not have this low tomato read. But also, again, in my opinion, rotten tomato sucks. So that's. You know, I could do a whole episode on that. But.

But anyway, well, I've been wrapping up here. This is a blast. But, you know, so we mentioned some. The movie features some great food in that scene once. Even though it's technically imaginary.

The, you know, the food we see looks delicious. So if you add a treat or snack that you might not think of for a drive in theater experience, it might actually be perfect.

Do you have anything that comes to mind? I could say mine, if you want to think.

Evan Garcia: 00:33:59

he new Fantastic four here in: 2025

And they are having a promotion with Little Caesars. And back then, Little Caesars was like. I was obsessed with Little Caesars for some reason.

Like, every Friday we will get to Little Caesars and then we wouldn't get Blockbuster Game or we watch a movie. So I would have a whole cheese pizza from Little Caesars.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:34:28

Oh, that sounds excellent. Yeah, like, they're just so. It's just so convenient and. Yeah. Delicious. But, yeah, I think for me, I don't. I don't know, you know, because it's.

Because there's. There's a lot of, like, meats and stuff they show in that scene there.

But, like, you know, I could watching this movie, for whatever reason, I could really go for a sub, you know, like, for my Jersey mics or something like that, you know, like, yeah, get some, like. Like, particularly, like, cheese steak, I think.

Evan Garcia: 00:34:54

Or Jersey mice got some good cheese steaks.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:34:56

Yeah, man. They do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's one of my favorites. So I think I would do that. Especially since this is a longer movie.

I'm like, you know, get a full. Get. Get a nice sub there and enjoy it.

This is because, I mean, if you just get candy, it's gonna be gone in five minutes and you still got, you know, the whole movie left.

Evan Garcia: 00:35:13

I would watch this at the, like, at the Dine in theater. I would totally watch this there.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:35:19

100. Oh. And then if this comes down right, there's ones I look out for and I'm like, oh, I would love to see this on the big screen.

Evan Garcia: 00:35:29

Totally.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:35:30

Yeah. Sweet. Well, Evan, this was a blast, as always.

Evan Garcia: 00:35:32

Yeah, it was.

Kevin Schaeffer: 00:35:33

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