A Journey Through the Haunted Mansion: Tales of Terror and Whimsy
The Haunted Mansion, a quintessential theme park attraction, serves as the focal point of our discussion today. Our hosts, Joshua Noel and Evan Garcia, explore the ever-growing lore of the attraction, whilst reflecting on its deeper themes of death and lost. We delve into its rich lore, exploring the myriad stories and facts that surround this iconic ride. From the enigmatic presence of the Hatbox Ghost to the intricate history of its development, we shall examine the nuances that contribute to its enduring allure. Our exploration encompasses not only the ride itself but also its cultural impact, including its adaptations in various media, such as comics and films. Join us as we embark on this journey through the whimsical and eerie realms of the Haunted Mansion, shedding light on the intersection of nostalgia and innovation that defines this celebrated attraction.
The Haunted Mansion stands as an enduring symbol of Disney's creativity and storytelling prowess, a point that Joshua Noel and Evan Garcia explore in depth throughout their podcast episode. The discussion begins with a historical overview of the ride's conception, where the hosts recount how it transitioned from an idea steeped in darkness to the whimsical attraction we experience today. They delve into the contributions of key figures in its development, emphasizing the innovative techniques employed by Imagineers that blend storytelling, technology, and artistry. The ride's ability to evoke both thrills and laughter is highlighted, showcasing how it has captivated audiences young and old, serving as a rite of passage for countless families visiting the parks.
The episode further examines the cultural significance of the Haunted Mansion, as Joshua and Evan reflect on its adaptations across various media, including film and comics. They analyze how the recent 2023 film and the Disney Kingdoms comic series have expanded the lore surrounding the attraction, offering fresh narratives while paying homage to the original material. The hosts express their appreciation for the way these new stories resonate with the themes of the ride, exploring concepts of mortality, memory, and the afterlife with a balance of humor and depth. This engagement with the material enriches the listener's understanding of the Haunted Mansion as not merely an attraction, but as a cultural artifact that continues to inspire and entertain.
As they conclude their discussion, the hosts invite listeners to consider their personal connections to the Haunted Mansion. Joshua shares his ambivalent feelings towards the ride itself, contrasting with Evan's unwavering enthusiasm, and together they reflect on the broader implications of the attraction's themes. The conversation encourages an introspective examination of how the Haunted Mansion resonates with our collective experiences of fear and joy, ultimately positioning it as a beloved narrative tapestry woven into the fabric of Disney's legacy.
Takeaways:
- The Haunted Mansion ride at Disney is filled with fascinating lore and historical anecdotes that enhance the overall experience of the attraction.
- The ride's design and development were heavily influenced by the creative tensions between its original imagineers, resulting in a unique blend of eerie and whimsical elements.
- Numerous references to other Disney attractions and characters, such as the Hatbox Ghost and Mr. Toad, create a rich tapestry of interconnected stories within the Haunted Mansion universe.
- The recent comic adaptation of the Haunted Mansion explores deep emotional themes, such as loss and bravery, while incorporating many beloved aspects of the ride's lore.
- The Haunted Mansion serves as a compelling commentary on death, presenting ghosts not merely as haunting spirits but as entities enjoying their afterlife in a whimsical manner.
- Comparative analysis of the Disneyland and Disney World versions of the Haunted Mansion reveals significant differences in storytelling and ride mechanics that reflect the unique cultural contexts of each park.
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What do you do when creepy creeps with eerie eyes start to shriek and harmonize and grim grinning ghosts come out to socialize?
Speaker A:Well, who are going to talk about it today on Systematic Ecology, we're going to be discussing the theme park attraction, Haunted Mansion.
Speaker A:Some of our favorite fun facts about the ride, and then some of the other stories surrounding it.
Speaker A:Comics, movies, maybe a board game will mention all kinds of craziness I didn't even know about until my good co host, Evan Garcia introduced me.
Speaker A:I was like, hey, man, what if we talked about the box hat ghost?
Speaker A:And I was like, you just mean the one with the cool hat.
Speaker A:I mean, sure, we talk about the cool hat.
Speaker A:And then I was like, oh, wait, no, there's a.
Speaker A:There's a whole lore behind the hat and the ride and.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So we're gonna have a fun time.
Speaker A:I'm Joshua Knoll.
Speaker A:You may know me as Josh with the bad opinions.
Speaker A:I'll start off with a bad opinion before we geek out.
Speaker A:I've never liked the Haunted Mansion ride, but I like the stories around it and I've always been intrigued.
Speaker A:So this has been a really fun thing for me to research getting into.
Speaker A:So Evan might be your main guy today.
Speaker A:So we'll start with you, Evan.
Speaker A:What are you geeking out on, man?
Speaker B:Oh, Cobra Kai, Legends.
Speaker B:I'm still riding that high.
Speaker B:Cobra Kai, Karate Kid, Karate Kid, Legends.
Speaker A:You got to see it already.
Speaker B:Get saw with my kid and now he wants to take karate classes again.
Speaker B:And it's like, that didn't go well.
Speaker B:That's why you're.
Speaker B:You are in baseball, so.
Speaker B:But yeah, he loved it.
Speaker B:I loved it.
Speaker B:Fun times all around.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, man.
Speaker A:I actually.
Speaker A:I got really into martial arts in like, middle school, high school, and I did some MMA tournaments in college.
Speaker A:I was really hyped to watch the new Karate Kid, and then I got a flat, so that stunk.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I plan on probably watching it this weekend sometime.
Speaker A:Way before this came out comes out, most likely.
Speaker A:Sorry, listeners.
Speaker A:I'm just hanging out with Evan.
Speaker A:You guys are just here.
Speaker A:That's your fault.
Speaker A:You're intruding on our hangout sessions.
Speaker A:You thought this was a podcast, but no.
Speaker A:Oh, man, I've been geeking out on just so many different things lately.
Speaker A:Mostly because I had like a two week span between my regular semester and then summer classes, and it's like, how much can I cram into this two weeks?
Speaker A:One thing I'm gonna talk about that I'm always.
Speaker A:I always geek out on any chance I get the chance, anytime I get the chance to do this.
Speaker A:And maybe this fall, if I end up in Florida, I can convince Evan and his family to do this.
Speaker A:It's a fun game called Killer Bun and the Quest for the Magical Carrot.
Speaker A:It's insane.
Speaker A:I love this card game.
Speaker A:I played it when Christian Ashley came to visit me last week.
Speaker A:One of our other hosts, my wife, was home and I was like, oh, hey, we got three people.
Speaker A:That's enough to play.
Speaker A:And they knew.
Speaker A:It's Christian's fault.
Speaker A:I got into the game.
Speaker A:He first introduced me, so he can't say no.
Speaker A:He started this addiction.
Speaker A:It's been strong for, like, 15 years.
Speaker A:I've been playing this.
Speaker A:I have every single expansion pack, and now I'm, like, looking to see when the next one might come out.
Speaker A:And for context, the expansion started, like, red, yellow, green.
Speaker A:There are so many expansion packs now.
Speaker A:This is how you know they ran out of, like, kind like.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, no, there's literally Pumpkin Spice was.
Speaker A:I haven't got the Pumpkin spice Killer Bunnies expansion pack.
Speaker B:They're trying to get more niche.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:But no, we are here to talk about Haunted Mansion.
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Speaker A:I'm excited for this, Evan.
Speaker A:Some of this I didn't know anything about until, like, this week because you're like, let's do this.
Speaker A:Like, some of it I didn't know some of, like, the lore and stuff because, like, I grew up near Disney World.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So you always hear some of those, like, little stories.
Speaker A:Yeah, those legends, Easter eggs stuff.
Speaker A:Ye.
Speaker A:Yeah, those are fun.
Speaker A:I know a few people who allegedly sprinkled the ashes of loved ones on the thing.
Speaker B:Oh, no, that happens all the time.
Speaker B:I got stopped on a ride because someone did it.
Speaker B:It's called Code Gray.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:And it definitely happens a lot at Haunted Mansion specifically.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think there's actually a really good.
Speaker A:Maybe theological is not the right word.
Speaker A:Anthropomorphical.
Speaker A:No, I don't know.
Speaker A:I'm going to say theological because I don't have a thing.
Speaker A:Philosophical reason why.
Speaker A:We'll probably talk about that later.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:Evan, tell us about the history of this ride, like how Haunted Mansion came to be.
Speaker A:What do you know about the lore, the legend, everything behind this ride?
Speaker A:Existing.
Speaker B:Love, the riot.
Speaker B: sit, and then probably around: Speaker B:As a.
Speaker B:As a.
Speaker B:As a.
Speaker B:As.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, as a walkthrough attraction.
Speaker B:And it was gonna be the.
Speaker B:The something of the weird, the Mansion of the Weird or something like that.
Speaker B:And they were gonna have a walkthrough with kind of like a Museum of the Reared.
Speaker B:And they were going to have kind of like scare actors coming out at you and be very quirky.
Speaker B:And then they changed it up and they added another imagineer, Yale Gracie and Raleigh Crump.
Speaker B:They're the two imagineers that are usually attached to this ride.
Speaker B:And they both.
Speaker B:They were kind of butting heads on the style of the ride.
Speaker B:And then you can kind of see.
Speaker B:See the two different styles in the ride.
Speaker B:And then for the music, it was existencio he wrote that music along with a lot of other theme park stuff.
Speaker B:And there was another fun fact, but I think I'll leave it there.
Speaker A:Yeah, I found a few things when looking it up, and some of the stuff I knew a little bit about, actually, because of its connection specifically to Pirates of the Caribbean, which, for those listening, we did do an episode on the Pirates of the Caribbean attraction in the Disney parks before, and I'll try to put that link in the show notes.
Speaker A:You guys know how bad I am at remembering to do that, but I'll try to remember this time.
Speaker A:I think it was a really good episode.
Speaker A:Me, Liz, and TJ Kind of talked about it.
Speaker A:There's a long history there.
Speaker A:One of the fun things with Haunted Mansion is it was one of the first things actually built in Disneyland, but it wasn't actually populated with anything in it for a really long time because they kept attaching different people to the ride, to the whole concept and everything.
Speaker A:And it just kept not working.
Speaker A:Or Walt kept being like, yeah, that's not.
Speaker A:That's not what we want.
Speaker A:And even Walt seemed to not really know if he wanted it to be scary or silly, you know, funny or scary.
Speaker A:Like, one of the two.
Speaker A:Like, he kept going back and forth.
Speaker A:One of the early concepts.
Speaker A:How did.
Speaker A:Like, the mansion actually looked kind of crepid on the outside and scary.
Speaker A:So you have this, like, saying a lot of people just put everywhere that.
Speaker A:Apparently, Walt said, I don't know if there's any proof.
Speaker A:He said, there's always that we'll take care of the outside.
Speaker A:The ghosts take care of the inside.
Speaker A:At some point, Walt goes to Europe looking for ghost stories.
Speaker A:He's like, I'm looking for ghosts that will.
Speaker A:That can retire to the Haunted Mansion.
Speaker A:So they actually had a sign in Disneyland before it opened.
Speaker A:So this was, like, 10, 20 years.
Speaker A:There's a sign on the mansion that was just a closed building that just said, hey, this is where, like, retired ghosts come to chill.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:And then through all the different concepts and different stories that they came up with, like you said, like, at one point there's gonna be, like, a walkthrough that they didn't really know what they were doing at one point.
Speaker A:Several.
Speaker A:There's all kinds of different stories.
Speaker A:So a lot of the ghosts that are in there now are from older stories that got rejected.
Speaker A:So they just kind of, like, have cameos to their own ideas, which is really cool, man.
Speaker A:One of my favorites that I found out they almost used was from the Winchester Mansion.
Speaker A:And being a big supernatural Fan and hearing about, like, how the cult and everything was there, it's like, man, we almost had a supernatural Disney connection.
Speaker A:That would have been sick.
Speaker B:That would have been fun.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's funny because, like, even when you hear, like, how they describe the walkthrough, that's basically what Universal parks do now with the haunted houses.
Speaker A:And you're like, man, maybe Disney could still do that, because it sounds like it's a.
Speaker A:It's a winning idea.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Pirates of the Caribbean got developed after they started focusing on the World's Fair.
Speaker A:So they dropped the Haunted Mansion project and a lot of other projects when they went to the World's Fair, built all the stuff for that, you know, it's a small world, etc.
Speaker A:Once they saw what the animatronics and stuff could do, that's when Pirates of the Caribbean went from being what was going to be a wax museum to a ride.
Speaker A:And then after they did that is kind of when they were like, we could do something similar with the Haunted Mansion.
Speaker A:And they even took the dune buggies in.
Speaker A:Haunted Mansion come from actually a space ride that they developed for the World's Fair.
Speaker A:And it was like breaking edge.
Speaker A:Technology is having a ride that can do that loop where it never actually stops.
Speaker A:That you see, it's so many other Disney rides now that we all just take for granted.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But back then, that was like breaking technology.
Speaker A:They were like, oh, hey, we can do this thing.
Speaker A:And it never stops.
Speaker A:Because the problem in the bar that.
Speaker B:Automatically closes you in, that was huge.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was wild, man.
Speaker A:And like, especially.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, especially, like, their big problem with the walkthrough.
Speaker A:Disney was like.
Speaker A:Walt was like, hey, wouldn't people just get stuck here?
Speaker A:And it'll be crowded all the time.
Speaker A:And then they have this perfect solution.
Speaker A:It's an attraction that never stops.
Speaker A:Like, man, it's crazy, crazy stuff.
Speaker A:And that's also where you see in Disneyland, the mansion is, like, really small.
Speaker A:And you're like, wow, why is the attraction so much bigger than the actual building?
Speaker A:So that's one of the big differences with Disneyland and Disney World.
Speaker A:Yeah, it kind of has the TARDIS effect.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's bigger on the inside.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:There's so much fun stuff with it and just, like, me loving the tech and, like, the animation stuff.
Speaker A:So one of Disney's nine Old Men also worked on it.
Speaker A:So the Imagineers, Nine Old Men, kind of the same, kind of not.
Speaker A:Most of the Imagineers were mostly like, illusionist it's almost like hiring Houdini for the park.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But the nine men actually did some of the designs.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:He would assign tasks to people that were like, what am I doing?
Speaker B:But supposed to be painting dolls.
Speaker B:I'm not supposed to be making music.
Speaker A:One of the things I'm most upset about, doing research in this.
Speaker A:At some point, someone developed this.
Speaker A:This technology sounds so cool.
Speaker A:I want to see it where one of the ghosts would, like, come at you and then completely dissipate into water and then rebuild himself.
Speaker B:I heard about this.
Speaker A:Oh, that sounds so cool.
Speaker A:But it was just.
Speaker A:It was so hard to keep it going.
Speaker A:It wouldn't be able to loop, so they never used it.
Speaker A:And I'm like.
Speaker A:But I still want to see that, because that sounds cool.
Speaker A:Mark Davis, same one who did the designs for Pirates of the Caribbean, does the designs for this.
Speaker A:When it comes to animating what the stuff is going to look like.
Speaker A:And that's where you get some of similar flares.
Speaker A:Other fun.
Speaker A:Pirates of the Caribbean connections.
Speaker A:Paul Freeze.
Speaker A:They have him do the voice.
Speaker A:If you notice the voice in the Pirates of the Caribbean.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:The dead man tell no tales.
Speaker A:It's the same person who does the voice for Haunted Mansion.
Speaker A:Haunted Mansion.
Speaker A:The composer for the music's Buddy Barker.
Speaker A:But the lyrics, Xavier Antonio.
Speaker A:I might be saying that incorrectly.
Speaker A:I'm not sure.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:His first time writing a song was for the Pirates of the Caribbean ride, and he was able to write something that looped really easily.
Speaker A:So they pulled him into Haunted Mansion as his very next project.
Speaker A:So he went from, like, where I forget.
Speaker A:He wrote some other stuff, but not, like, lyrics like this.
Speaker A:So he went to kind of like a nobody to.
Speaker A:Hey, we're have you write two of the most iconic songs to Disney fans ever.
Speaker A:Just crazy, man.
Speaker A:They also.
Speaker A:Marty Skyer was kind of the one.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I don't know how to talk.
Speaker A:Geez.
Speaker A:He ended up being in charge of, like, the whole project.
Speaker A:Fun thing about that is the comic we're going to talk about later, he actually writes the four note for it.
Speaker A:Like, in the beginning, he writes a note about how the Honda mansion came to be.
Speaker A:I think that's all the background stuff.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:Do you know anything else that maybe I jogged your memory and you were like, oh, we got to mention this, too?
Speaker B:No, those were.
Speaker B:That's a little bit of everything.
Speaker B:So that works.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Also, just because I'm the pirate nerd, I also got to throw out one of the original ideas.
Speaker A:That's still kind of in the Ride a little bit.
Speaker A:If you squint your eyes until your head.
Speaker A:You know, at some point, it was going to kind of have you go up into the attic, where we still go to the attic.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But the.
Speaker A:The husband of the wife, because it's supposed to be two people getting married, it's going to be revealed that he's actually either regenerated or continued to live Pirate Captain.
Speaker A:And it was going to kind of go through that pirate history, too.
Speaker A:So it was almost kind of another pirate ride.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And I'm like, oh, that's.
Speaker A:That's kind of cool.
Speaker A:Which gets to, like, when we talk about the box hat ghost, he has a connection to that attic too.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So we kind of, you know, we're going to end up going full circle with some of that.
Speaker A:I don't know, the background stuff.
Speaker A:If you haven't researched it, there's literally entire podcast shows that are all about the background.
Speaker A:I been hard hyper fixating since you mentioned this to me.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker B:Crammed it in there.
Speaker A:Yeah, man.
Speaker A:All right, so what about other just, like, fun facts or some of the big differences between the Disney World and Disneyland version?
Speaker A:Do you anything?
Speaker A:You know, I know about Mr. Toad, and I know you want to bring up boxhot.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The Mr. Toad that's in the.
Speaker B:Well, not.
Speaker B:Well, not in the queue, but in.
Speaker B:On the.
Speaker B:On the outside exit.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is.
Speaker A:It's so funny.
Speaker A:They have a lot of him in the graveyard.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:For those who don't know why that's funny, the Winnie the Pooh ride that's in Magic Kingdom now took the place of Mr. Toad's wild adventure, or whatever it was called.
Speaker A:So now in the Winnie the Pooh ride, there is a picture of Mr. Toad with Winnie the Pooh.
Speaker A:And after they destroyed his ride, they put a bust of him in the Haunted Mansion cemetery, which is kind of dark, but also really funny.
Speaker B:It fits.
Speaker A:It's great.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So box hat ghost, break that down for us.
Speaker A:That's one of the big differences between the parks.
Speaker B:That was originally for the Disneyland version, and it was.
Speaker B:It was a myth.
Speaker B:For a very long time, people.
Speaker B:People didn't know that it was real because it only lasted, like a month.
Speaker B:And the effect didn't work very well, so they had to cut it.
Speaker B:And for decades and decades, it was a myth until the.
Speaker B:I think it was about 10, 15 years ago, a imagineer, he figured out a trick on how to bring it back, and all of a sudden, boom, he showed up in the attic scene, and people were Flipping out.
Speaker B:And it's really cool.
Speaker B:And it fits in the attic.
Speaker B:They kind of adjusted some of the story again, so.
Speaker B:So people are all excited that the Hatbox ghost is back, and it's a cool nod to us nerds that like to follow this stuff.
Speaker B:And it was.
Speaker B:It was a nice addition to the ride out in Disneyland, California.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Now they bring it.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:They announced a few years ago that they were gonna bring him over to the.
Speaker B:To the Disney World version, and people were kind of cranky about it.
Speaker B:Like, no, you should keep them separate.
Speaker B:Keep him as an original to the park.
Speaker B:And then they brought him over, and they put him in a spot that kind of.
Speaker B:They don't put him in the same spot as they do in the Disneyland because for some reason, the attic scene in the Disney World version is, like, they couldn't fit him in there.
Speaker B:I was like, that's weird.
Speaker B:So then they throw him in the beginning in the infinite hallway scene.
Speaker B:And to be honest, he does kind of stand out.
Speaker B:He kind of looks kind of out of place, but he's such a cool effect that it's really nice to watch.
Speaker B:But it does kind of.
Speaker B:It does kind of throw off the vibe of the one half of the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:Like, when you're thrown out of the attic, when you fall out of the attic.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That used to be a division point on, like, the two different versions of the ride.
Speaker B:Now they kind of blur it with.
Speaker B:With the ghost being so early on in the ride.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So that causes just a little bit of a stir now.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, the Hatbox was really.
Speaker A:That was really interesting to just kind of look into, because a lot of the people's complaints is he's actually.
Speaker A:Where he's at in Disney World is before you get introduced to where the ghosts are.
Speaker A:Which brings the question, like, is he even one of the 999 spirits, or is he outside of that?
Speaker A:Is he something else?
Speaker A:So that's really interesting.
Speaker A:And what's really fun, too, is, like, he was on a lot of the merch, even before they brought him back.
Speaker B:He was very popular.
Speaker B:He was legendary because he literally was a legend.
Speaker B:Like, we didn't know that it was real until Disney pretty much confirmed it.
Speaker B:They're like, oh, yeah, here you go.
Speaker B:Boom.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then one of our other hosts, good friend TJ Guillermo del Toro, one of his favorite directors, actually owns, like, a full replica of the hatbox.
Speaker B:I forgot he was a big fan.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's so interesting.
Speaker A:And that's one of the.
Speaker A: So the: Speaker A: Whereas the Newer film in: Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then a comic we're gonna talk about later, he's actually the one that's actually helping us through the mansion.
Speaker B:That was fun.
Speaker A:We got a few different takes in the stories too.
Speaker A:On who is this guy.
Speaker B:Little story here that I didn't confirm, the confirmation of it not being true yet.
Speaker B:But that story of Constance Hatchaway, the bride that's in the attic, that the story is that she killed all her husbands and she threw out a.
Speaker B:And she threw out a ring in the.
Speaker B:Out of the window.
Speaker B:She threw out her.
Speaker B:Her wedding ring.
Speaker B:And you can see it in the queue for the Disney World attraction.
Speaker B:What I didn't know was that.
Speaker B:Yes, yes, if you look in the queue, there's a ring.
Speaker B:However, that is a reference on a made up.
Speaker B:Well, on a made up theme at Disneyland where there was a ring.
Speaker B:There was like a ring or some sort of screw or something that someone left in the.
Speaker B:In the concrete by mistake.
Speaker B:And they built that lore around that I had no idea that it was built upon.
Speaker B:Just a construction mistake.
Speaker B:That's funny.
Speaker A:That's really funny.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And there was a lot of like, rumors and different stuff that happened because the mansion had been up in Disneyland so long before.
Speaker A:You know, the things that someone said, someone fell in a pit of snakes or something.
Speaker A:I heard about that.
Speaker A:And then what's funny too is because it wasn't really completed till after this, Walt's death.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So Pirates of Camping was the last thing that he was actually actively a part of.
Speaker A:And then this comes after he didn't even have a pardon saying that it wasn't going to be walkthrough anymore.
Speaker A:So, like they made that decision after his death.
Speaker A:He was always like, I don't.
Speaker B:The big point that he.
Speaker B:That he really wanted to get across is that he wanted it to be clean, he didn't want it to look dirty or to look old.
Speaker B:That's why it looks like what it looks like.
Speaker A:And the Disney World version, even though you don't have the TARDIS effect because the outside is huge, it's still like that really pretty Gothic architecture symbol.
Speaker A:I know there's a lot of changes in some of the other Disney parks, like the one in France where it's not even the same name, like Phantom Manor or something.
Speaker A:You said.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And that's because they have a completely different concept of death.
Speaker A:So, you know.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:Every culture treats death differently.
Speaker A:So America has its own flavor that we're able to kind of do.
Speaker A:A lot of similarities between Disneyland and Disney World, but most Disney parks have a haunted mansion.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What's fun, too, is, like, so in the ride now, the way we have it, after all the cut and paste and rumors, and no one even really knows why the ride is what it is or the story behind all of the ghosts, so we can keep speculating forever and ever and ever.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think it's part of the fun.
Speaker A:It is the only reason, because I said earlier I never cared for the ride.
Speaker A:I don't like the elevator part because I get, like, where I'm so close to everybody else, you know, like, in a stretching room.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And you're like.
Speaker A:Everybody's, like, all, like, sardines.
Speaker A:And I'm like, I don't like being.
Speaker B:This close to other humans.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, if they would let me and one other person, that's it.
Speaker A:Just me and, like, one other person go through the line and be in the stretch room, I'd be fine.
Speaker A:Once I get to the ride.
Speaker A:It's fun.
Speaker A:And so what's fun, too.
Speaker A:So you have, like, the basic concept that I think a lot of people get lost in, because we're just enjoying the vibes and the fun.
Speaker A:I think the basic concept for the story, though, is the house has to have something that's causing it to be haunted, to be cursed or something.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And that's where you have the story of the wife.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:I forget what her name was, but you just haunt.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So you have, like, her story.
Speaker A:But then at the same time, because Walt left that sign up for so long, of retired ghosts are going to come here.
Speaker A:And we have, like, so much silliness in here.
Speaker A:So it's like, simultaneously, it has to have a reason it's haunted, and also a bunch of ghosts who aren't really part of that are just here to retire and have fun.
Speaker A:And that's where, like, the first half of the ride is kind of like.
Speaker A:Or, you know, the queue.
Speaker A:And, like, the beginning of the ride is kind of, like, a little spooky, a little like you're going through a cemetery, you went through the stretch room, all this stuff.
Speaker A:And then once you get to, like, the.
Speaker A:The bulk of it, it's like, oh, we're having fun.
Speaker A:Because then you're like, we're.
Speaker A:The retired ghosts are having their Party.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's where the comic we're talking about later, I feel like, did a really good job of like, having both themes where you have the people who actually died at the Mangen and the curse, and also because we're just kind of having a party, man.
Speaker B:But you.
Speaker B:But you bring up a good point.
Speaker B:Because when you said the elevator scene, that confused me.
Speaker B:I was like, there's an elevator scene.
Speaker B:I thought you were talking about the hydrolaters over at Epcot.
Speaker B:But I was like, wait a minute.
Speaker B:Then I remembered the Disneyland version is an elevator.
Speaker B:The Disney World one and is not.
Speaker A:Oh, what happened in Disney World that makes it look like that go up.
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker B:The top goes up.
Speaker B:The reason why the Disneyland one is.
Speaker A:An actual elevator, it's not actually.
Speaker B:Because you need to go below the train track.
Speaker B:The train tracks drops you below the train track and then you walk through it.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker A:I forgot about that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:There's so much fun.
Speaker A:Random.
Speaker A:Random stuff with it.
Speaker A:So for you, with Box Hat Ghost, do you prefer the Disneyland version where he's with the other spirits or do you prefer.
Speaker B:Continuity wise?
Speaker B:Yes, but ride wise, they've only seen the Walt Disney World one.
Speaker B:So that's the one that I'm going, that's the one that I'm gonna love forever.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was.
Speaker A:There's a little bit of nostalgia where you're like, I don't really care if it makes sense.
Speaker A:That's where you're supposed to be.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And there's a.
Speaker B:There's a idea that I think they didn't put that much thought into this stuff as much as we put the.
Speaker B:That we put into it.
Speaker B:I think they were just trying to get something done, trying to look cool.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well.
Speaker A:And that's where, like, I really feel like the fans helped build the ride in a way, because a lot of these rumors that fans created or stuff that we latch onto, Disney was like, okay, sure, that's part of it now.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, they just kind of gore for you floating.
Speaker B:The floating Madame Leota head.
Speaker B:That was because of a fan did that too.
Speaker A:That's cool.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I feel like this ride is like the process theology of Disney World.
Speaker A:It's like always in a state of becoming.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:It's so much fun, though.
Speaker A:Did you want to talk any about the movies before we talk about the comic?
Speaker A:Or are you like the movies?
Speaker A:Are they exist?
Speaker B: The movie, the: Speaker B:With.
Speaker B:With Eddie Murphy?
Speaker B:That was.
Speaker B:That was A movie.
Speaker B:That was a movie.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So it was.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:But this last one.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Was pretty fun.
Speaker B:I really liked it.
Speaker B:And because it gave.
Speaker B:There was a lot of nods to different things for us nerds, but it still had a story beyond a divorced family or something like that.
Speaker B:I was just like, okay, we can get over that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A: That first: Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A: What kills me of that: Speaker A:And I think it's because I wasn't allowed to watch it because Eddie Murphy was in it.
Speaker A:My parents didn't like me watching things with him in it other than specifically Shrek.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Beverly Hills Cop, man.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:Because in my mind, for a long time, this was.
Speaker A:This was an older movie, like, early 90s or, like, you know, like, in my mind, like, it was just like, this is an old classic, and I can't wait to watch it, because I wasn't allowed to.
Speaker A:And it wasn't until this year that I found out this Pirates of the Caribbean and Elf all came out in the same year.
Speaker A:And I'm like, I don't.
Speaker B:Oh, they.
Speaker A:My brain doesn't put any of these in the same time frame.
Speaker A:I don't know why, but, like, it just doesn't feel like it was.
Speaker B:That does not feel like that.
Speaker A:Wow, that's.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker A:And, yeah, I think they.
Speaker A:They got Pirates of the Caribbean a right.
Speaker A:A lot more right than they did the Haunted Mansion movie.
Speaker A: But, yeah, that: Speaker A:It definitely had the MCU problem of, like, we're gonna really lean on the.
Speaker A:On the CGI and the third act, but it was supposed to be so far, and I think it was fun.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, the plot could be better.
Speaker A:It was interesting how much fans liked it better than critics.
Speaker A:But, yeah, I will say, from everything I see, the Muppets have done it the best of all.
Speaker B:That was so much fun.
Speaker B:That was a sleeper hit.
Speaker B:Like, no one knows about that.
Speaker B:I love that.
Speaker B:I love that movie.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A: too, because he's not in the: Speaker A: In the: Speaker A:And then Muppets were like, yeah, he's here, but he's not the villain.
Speaker A:Y' all talking about.
Speaker A:Muppets knew what they're talking about.
Speaker A:Man.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:So let's talk about this comic.
Speaker A:I. I read this a while back whenever the Disney Kingdoms series was coming out, and they were doing these comics about all the different rides.
Speaker A:Sometimes it was like the backstory, sometimes it happened in, you know, just kind of build the lore.
Speaker A:What was really fun, I mentioned earlier, the Marty Skyer.
Speaker A:You said, how I say the name correctly.
Speaker A:Where's the L?
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Anyway, I just.
Speaker A:Yeah, I forgot the L. I guess he wrote one of the.
Speaker A:He wrote a forward in this comic.
Speaker A:I love the art in this.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker B:Oh, the art was.
Speaker A:To me, it's giving Scotty Young.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:It's not Scotty Young who does it.
Speaker A:I don't remember who.
Speaker A:Who's the artist on this, but Will.
Speaker A:Will look it up and tell me that I should have known that it's fine.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But the art.
Speaker A:Yeah, because the way it's drawn, you can both get some of the fun, silly moments and spookiness just because, like, the way the line work on it is what really, I think, makes it lend to both parts of the Haunted Mansion energy, because it has its own.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Haunted Mansion has its own essence, I feel like, where it's like, yeah, but it's also silly.
Speaker A:And they do.
Speaker A:They do a great job portraying that through art in this.
Speaker A:Did you want to break down what this, since you just read it?
Speaker A:Yeah, I read part of it recently, but I haven't finished it in about a year.
Speaker A:So maybe you want to break down what happens in this comic for everybody.
Speaker B:It is a personal story between a.
Speaker B:A kid and his grandfather, and the kid gets.
Speaker B:He's kind of scared at school.
Speaker B:He kind of gets.
Speaker B:He kind of gets bullied.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And he's not the bravest.
Speaker B:He's not the bravest little toaster.
Speaker B:And then through this experience of the mansion, he deals with his grandfather's death that was so important to him, and he learns to be brave, and he learns so many new lessons.
Speaker B:And that's what I liked about it, that there wasn't very superficial.
Speaker B:It was a very, very deep relationship that he had with his.
Speaker B:With his grandfather that led him to be able to survive what they threw at him at the mansion.
Speaker B:And he.
Speaker B:And through a lot of twists and turns about.
Speaker B:He learns about himself and how to deal with trials that come his way.
Speaker B:And there's a lot.
Speaker B:Tons of tons of Easter eggs in this that were like, oh, that was a nice nod.
Speaker B:Oh, that was a nice nod.
Speaker B:Oh, that was funny.
Speaker B:I'm thinking of what you're putting down, like the whole time I was like, huh?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:My favorite was the falling backwards out of the attic.
Speaker B:I'm like, touche, touche.
Speaker B:Kind of like how, how on the ride when you go out the attic, you go on your back.
Speaker B:I'm like, that was nice.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:There's a lot of just cool little Easter eggs and nods all throughout it.
Speaker A:You can tell the people writing the comic, a passion for the ride.
Speaker A:You know, it's not a retelling of the movies.
Speaker A:It's definitely about the ride.
Speaker A:One of the other things I love.
Speaker A:So the same comic series, Disney Kingdoms, they did the Tiki Room and it was very much like a backstory to how the Tiki Room came to be.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:And I think originally that's what I thought this was going to be.
Speaker A:And now doing the study and like looking into it, I'm like, I'm really glad they didn't do that because part of the fun is we don't know how the Haunted Mansion came to be or what the original ideas were or where some of the ghosts came from or any of that.
Speaker A:So to have it like not explained, but then him fully experiencing all of the parts of the Haunted Mansion and the different stories that we do know about and some of the myths and legends hinted at but not confirmed in the comic, I'm like, yeah, this is, this is how you do this.
Speaker A:This is perfect storytelling.
Speaker A:If you're going to explore this attraction for what people love it for, I.
Speaker B:Could totally see this as like a one shot limited series on Disney plus or something where they throw in all this because that was exciting because they even mentioned that sign that you said about, about the, about the, about the ghost.
Speaker A:Retired ghost.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, they.
Speaker B:They drop a mention of that sign too.
Speaker B:I said, wow, that's really cool.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, man, it's.
Speaker A:It's so much fun.
Speaker B:And I think that Sailor was a new addition that was kind of because of the Q remodel in, in.
Speaker B:In Walt Disney World.
Speaker B:Wanted to see when this was made because I think that's when they got that.
Speaker B:And that's pretty cool because, yeah, they are keeping up with what they're doing.
Speaker B:They are keeping up with the times of.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think they're just like a year or two old, if I remember right.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:That makes super old.
Speaker A:I don't think I could be wrong, but yeah, no, it's cool.
Speaker A:I love that and I love just the way it's told because it has its own story, but it takes place in this Ride in such a way that we can explore all the stuff that we love about the haunted mansion while also going through the emotional arc of this kid looking for his grandfather who ends up his grandfather's spirits in the mansion.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:All that's just really well done.
Speaker A:Storytelling is great as far as the elements was kind of fun.
Speaker A:That I think adds to the mansion lore, and I don't know if other park ride enthusiasts are going to be on board with this part of the lore, but now we have four of the ghosts that died on grounds, and that's why they have some more powers than the other spirits that are just kind of retired.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Kind of gave significance to those four specifically.
Speaker A:One of them being box hat ghost, who helps our main character throughout the mantine.
Speaker A:One of them being constant.
Speaker A:And what was the other one?
Speaker B:Is it the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The captain.
Speaker A:I'm sorry I put you on the spot.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think the captain was one.
Speaker A:Was.
Speaker A:Was the head.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The lady whose heads and the thing.
Speaker A:Was that the other one or.
Speaker B:Oh, yes.
Speaker A:Somebody else.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Great, great.
Speaker A:Four to choose.
Speaker A:If you have to choose four.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It was so well done.
Speaker A:So well done.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:All right, man.
Speaker A:Well, I want to get to some of the deeper stuff before we start wrapping this up, because one of the things that's.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:That makes this attraction magical, that makes people keep coming back to the song and the ride and wanting more movies and wanting that board game that came out and comics, like.
Speaker A:I think what keeps bringing us to it is it's not just spooky and it's not just silly.
Speaker A:It's not making a mockery of death, but it's acknowledging it in a way that, I don't know, almost in a way that transcends things like, oh, yeah, ghosts are real.
Speaker A:They're not all tormented.
Speaker A:They're all having a bad time.
Speaker A:Some of them are having a good time.
Speaker A:And it's funny because, like, in the one sense, it's funny because we typically think of ghost as scary and haunting or whatever, and it's like, oh, ghost having a good time.
Speaker A:That's kind of funny, little silly.
Speaker A:But I also think there's something more magical, more beautiful about it and maybe part of why so many people want their ashes to be there, even though that's illegal.
Speaker A:Don't do that, guys.
Speaker B:Please don't.
Speaker B:It breaks down the bull ride.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's sad, but, like, part of the reason, like, actually makes sense to me.
Speaker A:And it goes back to a quote I recently encountered with Dietrich Bonhoeffer where he talks.
Speaker A:Where he's talking about hell and he says death is hell and cold and dark.
Speaker A:But our faith can transform that.
Speaker A:And that's what's beautiful.
Speaker A:We can transform death.
Speaker A:And I think that's part of what we're doing with this riot.
Speaker A:And now I'm not trying to equate the rite of Christianity or faith or like making it more than it is, but I do think that's why we're attracted to it.
Speaker A:It's like it's taking this concept of death and scariness and ghost and transforming it into something fun and whimsical in light.
Speaker A:We're finding the light in the dark.
Speaker A:Which is also why I think Kingdom Hearts needs to do some worlds that aren't just movies.
Speaker A:Take some of the attractions, do worlds off.
Speaker A:An attraction I'd be down to go through the Haunted Mansion in Kingdom Hearts would be great.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The first time that I realized that there was something else going on, there was something special going on with this ride was one of my first memories about going on the ride.
Speaker B:I remember we parked from our four hour trip and we were.
Speaker B:And we were, we were going through the gate, going through Main street, and my mom goes, oh, I can't wait to go see the ghosts.
Speaker B:I was just like, wait a minute.
Speaker B:You just told me that ghosts are demons and like there's a whole spiritual warfare thing going on.
Speaker B:But you like the ghost, right?
Speaker B:So that kind of like snuck in there.
Speaker B:I'm like, wait, what?
Speaker B:So, yeah, there's a special thing that this right column balances is different tones and stuff like that.
Speaker B:And I think that's why some people got all discombobulated when they put the hatbox goes so early on in the ride, you know, because they care for it.
Speaker B:Because this is a special piece of storytelling.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think a lot of people put more meaning into the ride than they realize they do.
Speaker A:They think this is just a fun ride, but really a lot of memories and nostalgia is attached to it.
Speaker A:And the more you deal with the death, the more you're like, I kind of like this thing where, like, we're making light of it.
Speaker A:And I think that's part of, like, just maybe it's just part of American culture.
Speaker A:I don't know if it's in other countries as much, but it's like part of why we do make some dark, morbid jokes and stuff is because, like, we're trying to transform this thing that is hell and dark and cold as Bonaparte said and transform it into something good and positive.
Speaker A:And that doesn't mean we're making fun of death and making fun of the fact that people died or anything like that.
Speaker A:It can just simply be that we're trying to find good in a place that we know there's no good, you know, But I don't know, there's just a lot to love about it.
Speaker A:And I do think you're getting at something too.
Speaker A:We treat ghost as demonic and stuff like that.
Speaker A:And I'm thinking about Harry Potter as well.
Speaker A:And I think this is where humor can open up the door to nuance, where you're like, okay.
Speaker A:Once we make jokes about ghosts and stuff, we're like, okay, wait a minute.
Speaker A:Maybe it's not all the scary stuff I thought.
Speaker A:I'm pretty sure it's not just dancing in the afterlife as ghosts in the non dimagin either.
Speaker A:But maybe it opens you up to have more nuanced conversations where you're like, okay, the humor broke through my wall.
Speaker A:And I'm like, okay, maybe I'm not completely right.
Speaker A:Pretty sure that's not the image either.
Speaker A:But let's have a more nuance and more deeper conversations about these things.
Speaker A:I think that's what comedy does as well.
Speaker A:Pike Scarabian, I think, does the same thing.
Speaker A:I certainly think Harry Potter does a lot of that when it comes to magic, witchcraft, that kind of stuff.
Speaker A:Obviously, I'm not for pagan religions, but also, I'm.
Speaker A:Maybe we demonized magic a little too much.
Speaker A:I think some of the humor in Harry Potter allows us to open up.
Speaker B:These conversations becomes more of a boundary maintenance, like, oh, yeah, you like that?
Speaker B:I don't like that.
Speaker B:Stuff like that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And also, sometimes it's just funny.
Speaker B:Come out to socialize.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, I will say that that song is always in my Halloween playlist.
Speaker A:And if it's not and anyone's listening, it's playlist for Halloween.
Speaker A:They're doing Halloween wrong.
Speaker B:Oh, the one mention that the comic book did that, I was like, yeah.
Speaker B:Was the description that the ballroom ghost said that at Christmas time, this place is a nightmare.
Speaker B:Do you.
Speaker B:Do you.
Speaker B:Do you understand that reference?
Speaker A:Not completely.
Speaker A:I know they do some different stuff.
Speaker A:You can see Jack Skellington outside the castle around Christmas time.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:At Disneyland, they do a Haunted Mansion overlay.
Speaker B:Sorry, The Nightmare Before Christmas overlay.
Speaker B:And they have like zero.
Speaker B:The ghost, and they have Jack Skellington.
Speaker B:So I was like, whoa, that was a nice little mention right there.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's great.
Speaker A:I also know during Halloween time, you can find.
Speaker A:Sometimes you'll find Jackson playing the headless horseman.
Speaker A:Headless Horseman, One of the original concepts for the walkthrough.
Speaker A:They were going to have the headless horseman from Ichabod and Mr. Toad.
Speaker B:I remember when he would go through the parade streets.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is also another thing I love about Mr. Toad being an Easter egg in the Haunted Mansion ride is like at one point the headless horseman was going to be in the ride and instead from the same film that we got, we get Mr. Doe.
Speaker A:It's like that's kind of cool that we still get that little bit of tie in there.
Speaker A:But yeah, since we mentioned the comics so much and I know Will will be screaming at me.
Speaker A:It's a five issue series by Disney Kingdom's the Haunted Mansion, written by Joshua Williams and drawn by George Cohello Coelho.
Speaker A:I might be saying that wrong.
Speaker A:Colored by Jean Franco Bellio.
Speaker A:I definitely said that wrong.
Speaker B:Fancy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right, well then with that, if you're cool, I'm ready to jump to the wrap up.
Speaker B:I think go for it.
Speaker A:All right, well, guys, as always, we're gonna have a bonus question at the end for those who are on Patreon Captivator, Apple podcast.
Speaker A:And we're asking if we could add any ghosts from any other IP cartoon movie ride.
Speaker A:Doesn't matter to this attraction.
Speaker A: at ghost would we add for the: Speaker A:If you want to know the answer, you got to go Patreon Abdulclass Captivate one of those.
Speaker A:But if you had to give a recommendation, Evan, for our listeners, what would you recommend for those listening?
Speaker B:Going through the comic was fun.
Speaker B:Thanks for sharing the comic with me because it reminded me of another series that I.
Speaker B:That I only read the first book, but my daughter got into it and she read them.
Speaker B:Was the Kingdom Keepers?
Speaker B:Kingdom Keepers, a series of books where they go, it's basically the night of the museum, but it's at the Disney parks and they have different adventures after hours and the rides, they all come alive and stuff like that.
Speaker B:It was so popular that Jon Favreau, he was going to make a film series, but then he kind of pivoted into the Jungle Book and stuff like that.
Speaker B:But yeah, if you guys like the Disney parks and like some cool storytelling, check out the Kingdom Keepers books.
Speaker A:That does sound fun.
Speaker A:That does sound a lot fun.
Speaker A:My recommendation also.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker A:Because of the comic reminded me.
Speaker A:I love this whole series.
Speaker A:If you love the Tiki Room as much as I do in Disney, you gotta read the The Disney Kingdom Sticky Room Comics, another five issue series.
Speaker A:It's a lot of fun.
Speaker A:Gives you kind of the backstory of that attraction.
Speaker A:I was gonna say right.
Speaker A:It's not really right, but I have a lot of fun with that.
Speaker A:So check it out.
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