Exploring the Depths of Mediocrity: A Review of Captain America (1990)
Within the context of our annual Summer Drive-In series, we delve into the cinematic depths of the 1990 film, "Captain America," which regrettably resides within the realm of critically panned productions, holding a dismal rating of 30% or lower on Rotten Tomatoes. This episode, released on the 4th of July, finds us, Joshua Noel and Evan Garcia, endeavoring to unearth the redeeming qualities of this film, despite its notorious reputation. As we navigate through our reflections, we confront the peculiarities of its narrative, the characterizations, and the overall execution, which at times elicits both bewilderment and bemusement. Our discourse aims to illuminate the aspects that may, albeit marginally, resonate with audiences or provoke thought, even in a film that largely falters. Join us as we explore the convoluted journey of a superhero whose exploits, though lacking in heroism, ultimately inspire a generation, culminating in a discussion that probes the essence of what it means to be a hero in the most unconventional of circumstances.
The latest installment of Systematic Geekology's Summer Drive-In series delves into the cinematic misadventure that is the 1990 film Captain America, starring Matt Salinger. This edition, coinciding with the Fourth of July, presents a unique opportunity to critically analyze a film that has garnered a mere 6% on Rotten Tomatoes. Joshua Noel and Evan Garcia embark on a quest to uncover any redeeming qualities in this ostensibly 'rotten' film. They explore the peculiar narrative choices, including the unconventional portrayal of Captain America as a Californian rather than the traditional Brooklynite, and the bizarre backstory of the Red Skull. The film's pacing, which oscillates from hurried to painfully slow, becomes a focal point of the discussion, prompting the hosts to reflect on how such narrative structures impact viewer engagement. Despite the film's shortcomings, the hosts endeavor to highlight the performances of actors like Ronny Cox, whose portrayal of the President is met with begrudging appreciation amidst the chaos. Overall, the episode serves as both a comedic and critical examination of a film that, while flawed, offers insights into the evolution of superhero cinema.
Takeaways:
- In our analysis of the 1990 film Captain America, we explore the peculiar narrative choices made in its adaptation from comic book lore to cinematic portrayal.
- The pacing of Captain America is notably inconsistent, oscillating between hurried sequences and prolonged scenes that detract from the overall viewing experience.
- We reflect on the film's themes of childhood trauma and inspiration, particularly how these elements shape the characters of both Captain America and Red Skull.
- Despite the film's numerous flaws, we find merit in its exploration of character backstories, particularly how they inform the motivations of the protagonists and antagonists alike.
- Our discussion highlights the impact of performance quality, particularly praising Ronny Cox's portrayal of the President as a standout amidst a generally lackluster cast.
- Ultimately, we conclude that while Captain America (1990) may not hold up as a great film, it serves as an interesting artifact in the evolution of superhero cinema.
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Transcript
Let's see if your kind heart is stronger than my deep hatred. Guys, Today we are back with part of our rotten film drive ins.
You know, every summer we do a drive in series here at Systematic Ecology. Just quick little movie reviews during the summer.
And this year our theme is rotten Films to go along with our annual theme of, like, polarization, finding the good, and, like, it's hard to find the good in some of these rotten films. And we're excited for this.
I am Joshua Knoll here with Evan Garcia, and if you guys want to hear more episodes in this series from some of our other hosts, there will be a link in the show's description with the entire series of rotten films we're doing this summer. So far, we've been about 50, 50 on whether or not we agree. We'll see how it holds up at the end of the summer. All right, jumping right in, Evan.
e watched the Captain America:We watched it last weekend. We just, you know, we were chilling, got in the car, drove up, saw it. What's your first reaction?
We leave the drive in, you look at me and you say what?
Evan Garcia: can I have a time machine to: Joshua Noel: ou want to go back in time to: Evan Garcia:Yeah, yeah, because I. Because I remember when that concept art for the new Captain America dropped the. The mcu and I was like, that is amazing.
And I remember watching this a few years ago just like, nope, this is it.
Joshua Noel:Oh, the MCU one you watched a few years ago, you didn't like it?
Evan Garcia:I did. Yes, I did.
Joshua Noel:Like, oh, okay.
Evan Garcia:Yeah.
Joshua Noel:Oh, okay. You're talking about. Okay, gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, I. It's so funny.
ke, when I grew up, you know,: Evan Garcia:Oh, cool.
Joshua Noel:No one knew who he was. No one knew Marvel heroes when I was a kid. You know, like, other than Spider man and like Fantastic Four. That was it. Maybe X Men.
Evan Garcia:Yeah. I knew about him because my dad's a favorite comic book character was Thor. So I knew of him through osmosis, basically.
Joshua Noel:Yeah, yeah. I feel you. I feel like if I were leaving the drive in and I think my first words to you. I don't even know, man. Like, I don't even.
I don't even know what you say. Like, I just. Probably just laughing, man, I would have laughed too.
Evan Garcia:Yeah, yeah.
Joshua Noel:Like, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe my first words would have been like, man, that was a great Ronny Cox film. Maybe. Maybe terrible Captain America film.
But the President, he was great Captain America.
Evan Garcia:Yes.
Joshua Noel:Yeah. We're gonna get into it, though. So this episode's coming out on 4th of July because we always release them on Fridays.
And we were like, wait, 4th of July, Friday. We had to find an America bad film. This one was so bad, it released in Russian theaters, but not in American theaters.
That's how bad this Captain America got. We refused.
Evan Garcia:Had to rush to make it. Ayo.
Joshua Noel:Oh. But, you know, I picked it because we wanted something America. It was cool. Yeah. I don't know.
I don't know what to say about what else to say about it other than, you know, let's. Let's just talk about the film. Evan, if you had to just give, like, a quick summary, just like highlights or lowlights of this film, I would. You.
How would you summarize this: Evan Garcia:I will summarize it as a globe trotting time travel fiasco. Put a time travel time crossing expensiveness.
Joshua Noel:Yeah, yeah.
Evan Garcia:Fiasco with a bad guy.
Joshua Noel:Yeah. I so. Starring Matt Salinger, who is the child of the author of Catch her in the Rye, which is kind of weird.
Evan Garcia:Oh, cool. Yeah.
Joshua Noel:I think the basics. They change a lot of the change. They change some weird stuff that I don't understand why they change. A kid from Italy is abducted.
He's tested on, becomes the Red Skull evil bad guy who's part of Nazis, because why not. And to combat him. The same person who created him was like, yeah, wait a minute, I'm gonna help the Americans.
I don't like that they did that to a kid. So did the same experiment on to Steve Rogers, who's like, cool, I'm a superhero now. Except for he's a superhero who's. I think the.
He beat maybe one person in the entire film. He loses a lot, runs a lot, gets shot a lot, and misses a lot when he throws his shield. That. That's all he does in this film.
He's a terrible hero, but it's fine. He gets strapped to a rocket because that's what bad guys do. He is Able to redirect the rocket.
Some little kid, for some reason is able to see it from the ground and go, wow, that kid just saved. That guy just saved the White House. Inspires that kid. Gets inspired to become the president one day after doing a lot of other really cool stuff.
Eventually the rocket is found in Alaska. Steve Rogers is thought out, confused because he's in a new time, thinks everybody's Nazis, runs away, escapes.
Red Skull's doing some more Red Skull stuff. So he's like, well, we gotta defeat him. And obviously the only way to do that is to discover his name.
So then they go around, around in Italy for a while, discover that Cap's good at running away and can ride a bike into water. Unsure. It ends with a. With a final, you know, fight scene on top of like a evil castle with a piano that's also a bomb.
Evan Garcia:What?
Joshua Noel:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Evan Garcia:I was like, I think that's basically. Yeah.
Joshua Noel:So I was like, wait, why is the piano a bop? I mean, I get.
I think part of what you're trying to do is like the kid was playing the piano and he was like an expert piano player like Red Skull when he was a kid in this film. So I think they were trying to do like a callback to like his childhood. And like, hey, this trauma's still with him.
But man, evil piano on top of evil castle with these really campy costumes. And it's like, this is like the world's worst version of Power Rangers. And I was so confused. It's like, what's happening here?
Evan Garcia:And he pushed the music up and that supposed to do something to the guy.
Joshua Noel:Yeah. And that's how fighting him. He was like, hey, here's some memories from when you were a kid. Yeah. And it's like, what, what's happening?
Like, Cap's relying on trauma response to defeat him.
Evan Garcia:That's exactly it. But I didn't know.
Joshua Noel:All the cuts are weird.
Evan Garcia:Oh my God, that cut. So many close ups. Just quick close ups.
Joshua Noel:There's one time, for some reason at Disneyland where Captain America just breaks the fourth wall and just smiles at you and you're like, okay. I don't know, man. Yeah. So, yeah, talk some about like the film's pacing. Some of like they spend a lot of time in Italy for some reason.
Evan Garcia:Exactly.
Joshua Noel:Depict different people groups. Very weird. Like, Canada is like no man's land. I guess. I don't know.
But yeah, yeah, you want to talk something about like the different places and pacing and stuff that happened in the film.
Evan Garcia:Yes. Apparently, Alaska is far away enough. So it's like he was. Yeah, but the pacing was just so slow. Like, it wasn't a bad pacing.
He just felt like I was watching a movie from, like, the silent era. It's like, what is happening? Like, I kind of get your idea. Let's move on.
Joshua Noel:And.
Evan Garcia:And to touch on some things that we. That we just need to move on with. But there wasn't.
They will go from Australia to the white pick to the white pickup truck from the reporter that's the friend of the president because they were friends when they were kids. And how did he get there? How did he travel so fast in his little white pickup? That was like, you know what?
Joshua Noel:I'm go to Canada, because that's where caps and I'm just going to find your random white cap.
Evan Garcia:Yeah.
Joshua Noel:Canada's a real small place. Easy to run into each other.
Evan Garcia:Okay. Oh, Canada.
Joshua Noel:Oh, okay. Yeah, sure. I'm so confused.
Evan Garcia:And then Canada. Sorry. And then Captain America has fake. Fake news car sickness.
Joshua Noel:Oh, yeah, that too.
Evan Garcia:Yeah.
Joshua Noel:What is. Who is this guy? I don't know.
Evan Garcia:And that's like, his superpower. Like, he's clever like that.
Joshua Noel:Yeah. Oh, because he doesn't really get any bigger or small.
Evan Garcia:No, he did not.
Joshua Noel:You're running no budget. He doesn't get any bigger.
Evan Garcia:He doesn't get faster because he still has to, like, steal kids bikes.
Joshua Noel:Yeah. Like, I'm like, all that happened is he got, like, a really silly outfit that they're like, I guess she doesn't know anything about camouflage.
Like, oh, well, it's fire resistant. And not a single time does he interact with fire. Once after mentioning that the suit is fire resistant. Like, why even bother? Bitch if he did.
But okay. Yeah. It is so all over the place. Even the effects are just wild. You have, like, a Red Skull mouse at the beginning.
Evan Garcia:Yes. What was that little demon cat thing.
Joshua Noel:That was so funny.
Evan Garcia:That was wild.
Joshua Noel:I think it was crazy because, like, the beginning felt, like, really rushed. And then the part where, like, he's just roaming around Italy trying to find Red Skull's name. Super slow.
I would have rather had more in that, like, relationship. So we knew who Steve Rogers was because it's a very different Steve Rogers. He's not from Brooklyn. He's from a beach in California.
I guess, like, it's those kind of things. I'm like, why even. Why would you even change that? Like, why not just Brooklyn? I mean, you're not making elaborate sets. Just say it's Brooklyn. The.
Evan Garcia:Now that I'm thinking about the pacing. It felt so weird, but now I see some context for it. What year was the Hulk TV show?
Joshua Noel:That.
Evan Garcia:That was the late 80s, right. Probably when. Probably when this was. When this was being made. It has that vibe, now that I think about it.
Joshua Noel:Yeah.
Evan Garcia:That. That a loner, traveler vibe. So maybe they were trying to pick up on that.
Joshua Noel:Yeah. There was like a TV show, movies of like Captain America.
Evan Garcia:Yeah. Where he has the motorcycle.
Joshua Noel:Yeah. And those are weird too, because, like, in a way, this is more accurate to the comics than that.
Because at least here, you know, it kind of gives the story of like the Red Skull and like, some of the background. We were like, okay, it makes sense. And that is just gonna, like, he's a guy who wears a suit with stars and stripes, you know, like, okay, sure.
Motorcycle. Okay. Yeah, why not? But, yeah, I don't know, man.
Evan Garcia:Sorry.
Joshua Noel:No, you gotta go ahead.
Evan Garcia:No, it was cool to hear him mention of Superman and some other Marvel characters too.
Joshua Noel:Yeah. So originally.
Evan Garcia:That was fun.
Joshua Noel:I think it was. The director on this project was originally supposed to do Superman 4 or the one after that. Well, you know how those went. So.
Evan Garcia:Yes.
Joshua Noel:She was like, I'm doing this instead. And I'm like, well, I think I know how that Superman movie would have went though. But man, it just. It was so all over the place. It was wild.
Comparing it to other stuff to one of the things interesting is I do feel like some of the MCU Captain America stuff still does some nods to.
Evan Garcia:This, which is always weird.
Joshua Noel:Like some of the, like, trash can lit stuff. I'm like, did the MCU intentionally mimic some of the. Like, there's just really specific things. I'm like, I think maybe they were given a nod to it.
Even though it wasn't great, it's still like, we. That's a lot of people probably this was their first experience to get. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we have to. With this year's.
We're always asking, like, why you think it got such a low rating.
I think we kind of covered that and it seems like we both agree that it deserves a low ranking because, like, the pacing, the acting, the scenarios are just wild and make no sense. What's the best thing that you think you can say about this film that.
Evan Garcia:Had had two of the same actors from. From. From A Christmas Story. That was my favorite part of it. And I got really excited when I saw them.
Joshua Noel:Yeah, yeah.
Evan Garcia:The mother and the father, they are both in it.
Joshua Noel:Yeah. Well, there are like. I'm not talking about There's a few actors who are really solid in this film.
I mean, I think the best thing I can say about this is, oh, man, it's really rough. I don't know, man. It gives Red Skull more of a background than he usually gets.
Even if I think it's a crazy background, that was unnecessary because he's always been German. Why is he Italian now? But he gets more of a background? And I do like our villains to have, like, a purpose, you know?
Like, they're not just showed up one day and are like, yep, I like Hitler. You know, I think that was kind of interesting. I'll give him an Adam. Yeah. So talks about, like, what we love and don't love.
And one of the things I want to bring up, because I actually do love the performance of Ned Beatty in Ronny Cox. I think I want to say Ned might have been the guy in the pickup truck.
Evan Garcia:He was the reporter.
Joshua Noel:Yeah, he's a great actor. He did really well in this. Yeah. Ronnie Cox as the President. Fantastic. And if you were to isolate that out of Captain America. Yeah.
Like, a kid who saw a hero, was inspired, grew up, he went to the military, he did all this stuff. He becomes the president, and he's like, hey, I genuinely care about things.
Like, they show him caring about the environment, caring about making real policy. And I was like, if we were to just isolate that character, that part was pretty good. Yeah, it was cheesy. And also worst speech ever.
Vote me for President. Stuff to help the environment. But also, it's gonna suck. It's gonna cost you a lot of money, and we're all gonna hate our lives.
And I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah, I'll vote for that guy, I guess.
Evan Garcia:Yes. Like, wow, that was funny.
Joshua Noel:Yeah. But other than that, I really feel like his character was the highlight for me. Cause, like, he actually.
The President, actually beat up some bad guys. Cap really does it. Cap just runs away the whole time. I don't understand. He gets shot at a lot.
He throws his shield and just completely misses every time. And it makes this weird sound effect when he throws the shield.
Evan Garcia:It was so loud in the mix, too.
Joshua Noel:I was like, ah, yeah, it's louder than the bullets. Really?
Evan Garcia:Yeah.
Joshua Noel:Oh, man. If you had to try to convince someone to watch this, how would you do it? Like, would you have to trick them? Or could you just tell them?
Like, it's so bad. At least some of the time you'll laugh. Like, when I saw the mouse, I did laugh. And when it was revealed that the Piano was a bomb.
I got a good chuckle, you know, like, all right.
Evan Garcia:I don't know, man. Like, just an exercise of trying to find the good. That's pretty much it. I don't know.
Because I was finding excuses for it all, but still, it doesn't excuse how bad it is, you know?
Joshua Noel:Yeah, yeah. Just overall, the writing, there's a reason didn't get a green lit for theaters, and I think. Yeah, the writing.
A lot of the acting, especially by Captain America. The Captain America character himself was kind of a flop. The costumes, even. I'm like, his eye holes didn't even line up.
Evan Garcia:Oh, that was horrible. That looks so.
Joshua Noel:Yeah, there's something with it that I'm like. And the fact that you. You basically. You have to buy it to watch it right now.
Like, if it was free somewhere, I might could feel better about being like, hey, guys, watch this just for the laughs. But telling someone they should watch this, knowing that they're gonna have to pay money to watch it. Yeah. No, don't. Actually.
It's not worth a scene, in my opinion.
Evan Garcia:It used to be on YouTube. A. Like a small.
Joshua Noel:And that would be worth it.
Evan Garcia:Timestamp, little potion stamp. Virgin. Yeah, that's what. That's how I saw it. I remember seeing that back in the day.
Joshua Noel:Yeah, it has a 6% on rotten tomatoes.
Evan Garcia:Right on.
Joshua Noel:Would you give it higher or lower?
Evan Garcia:I would give it maybe 10 just for.
Joshua Noel:Higher than rotten.
Evan Garcia:Yeah. 10 is like a good. Like, you did something like, thank you for doing something for us nerds to talk about 30 years later.
Joshua Noel:Because, like, back then, you had nothing. There was like, that's still cool.
And also, I still have to reiterate, I think Ronnie Cox did such a good job with what he was given, so I was like, you know, I'll give him a ten just for him. And I'm gonna even put, like. I'll put it in the review. Like, this is only for Ronny Cox. He got a hundred. Everyone else got a zero.
That averaged to a 10 somehow.
Evan Garcia:Yeah.
Joshua Noel:So, you know, I always like to, like, dig a little bit deeper here. So I think one of the cool parts of the film going back to Ronny Cox as the president and Red Skull.
So both of them have these childhood events, Right? So in this movie, Red Skull watches his parents die, and he's filled with hatred, and that's what fuels him to be.
And that's where we had that line that I said at the.
We'll see if your kind heart, Captain America, is as strong as my Evil Night, which sounds super cheesy and either like, a line from Kingdom Hearts or like, the world's campiest, like, satire of a superhero movie ever. But kind of wanted to ask, especially his father, your opinion when it comes to, like, how much do our childhood events really shape us?
Like, because we see this contrast of, like, this one kid saw Captain America and that inspired him to become the president and a hero. And another kid saw this trauma, which fueled him with rage to become Red Skull with a piano bomb, evil castle. I don't know.
But, like, how much do you think this kind of stuff as a child actually fuels who we are as we grow?
Evan Garcia:Only if you are given the perspective of it, you know, because as a child, things just happen, and you don't really have a perspective for the most part, unless you have some trauma and it's like, oh, okay, yeah.
But from, like, from what Red Skull did, he probably had someone influence him and, like, oh, now I'm going to become the bad guy because I'm going to just get revenge. Because, you know, kids, they live in their context, but.
Joshua Noel:But that's, like, trauma piled on with being raised by Nazis from that point on. I mean, yeah, he didn't have a prayer.
Evan Garcia:No. He was just a product of his time. And he took it to an extreme with the piano. With the piano.
That little, like, that little, like, activation clock thing. That was kind of cool. It was a cool design.
Joshua Noel:It looked cool. Yeah, there were a few things I was like, looked kind of cool. I don't know, man. Even as, like.
Because I think both of us would say we kind of, like, deconstructed our own face as we grew up. So, like, you know, I even can't even say, like, the Christianity my parents grew me up in formed me.
But I do think a lot of their message of, like, hey, if anyone tells you different than the Bible or different from this stuff, like, live by your convictions. I mean, that kind of stuff still stuck with me.
So I think it kind of depends, you know, everyone is their own person, but also, you are going to be a product of your time. So it's a little bit of both. And. And I hate to hate to be totally. Yeah.
I don't think that only seeing Captain America reroute, you know, Missile is going to. You're definitely going to be the president now. You know, like, there's going to be different stuff along the way that forms you.
Evan Garcia:Yes. And, you know, makes for a movie, but. Yes.
Joshua Noel:Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, some of our friends would say we're all in the process of becoming something like that. Right. So, yeah.
The other thing is, like, do you think Cap serves as an. Well, as an icon. Icon alone? Because, like, in this film, he doesn't really do anything heroic. He doesn't save anybody. He doesn't win the fight.
But his biggest accomplishment is really just that he inspired people. And do you think that's enough or does he actually have to be a hero, too, for us to be like, yeah, this is he.
Evan Garcia:I think he only. If you think inspiring one child and he becomes the president of the free world. If that's inspiring people, then yes, but that's really all.
Like, even with his relationships with. With the love of his life and later her daughter, he doesn't really do anything. He doesn't really affect their lives.
Joshua Noel:He's also really weird.
Evan Garcia:Kind of shows up and becomes that weird, awkward uncle that. That kind of showed up out of nowhere. Yeah. That your family has some history with, but not really for sure.
Joshua Noel:Yeah. I mean, thinking about it, like, for myself, like, honestly, if all I ever do was inspire one person who makes that big a difference in the world.
Sweet. Like, I'm cool with that.
I would rather also think that maybe I accomplished some things and stood up for people, but if all he did was inspire one other person who did greater things. Yeah, that's awesome. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.
So, I mean, I still think it's more fun to watch Captain America actually punch Hitler in the face and then maybe inspire people on the way. But if all you do is inspire one other person, that can be enough to be a hero. Maybe.
Evan Garcia:Sure.
Joshua Noel:Well, do you have any other thoughts before we wrap this. This drive in up for our Fourth of July friends? That.
Evan Garcia:I'm glad I finally saw it again in my new. In a new context. You know, it's like, yeah, now that.
Joshua Noel:You have something to compare it to. Yeah, yeah, no, definitely, Definitely. It's. It's great to compare things to and be like, man, I'm glad we have the mcu.
Maybe it'll help people like Captain America Brave New World more if they watch that first. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Awesome, man. Well, hey, you know, we're asking every time, what's.
What's a weird snack that maybe people wouldn't think of to bring to the drive in? That actually might be the perfect snack if they thought about it.
Evan Garcia:Fruit Roll ups. Because they can last a while. Or you just kind of shove them in your mouth.
Joshua Noel:But accurate, weirdly enough, depending on when you go.
But, like, right now, with these southern days I can't help but think of like more refreshing stuff like I don't want chocolate or popcorn and stuff that's going to make me thirsty. Thinking maybe there's a big thing of grapes. Grapes might be great actually. Bubble gum.
Evan Garcia:Those are cool.
Joshua Noel:O now we're on something. Yeah, now we're on something. I love it. Awesome. Well thank you Evan. Thank you listeners for your time.
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