Superman 2025: Exploring Themes of Identity and Heroism
This podcast episode presents a comprehensive and critical analysis of "Superman 2025," a film that exemplifies the enduring essence of the Superman character while navigating complex political themes. At the forefront of our discussion is the film's portrayal of Superman's identity crisis, which is intricately interwoven with the narrative of his Kryptonian heritage and his role as a symbol of hope and justice in an increasingly polarized world. We delve into the multifaceted dynamics between Superman and Lex Luthor, examining how their conflict serves as a microcosm of broader societal issues, including the implications of power and privilege. Furthermore, we explore the film's rich characterizations and its successful integration of the Justice Gang, which adds depth to the narrative and reinforces the notion of teamwork and shared responsibility in heroism. As we unpack various scenes and themes, we reflect on the emotional resonance of the story and its implications for the future of the DC cinematic universe, ultimately expressing our fervent enthusiasm for the film's direction and the character's legacy.
Takeaways:
- The podcast presents a comprehensive and spoiler-heavy analysis of the film 'Superman 2025', highlighting its themes and character development.
- Listeners are cautioned that the episode delves deeply into the plot, and those who have not seen the film should refrain from listening until they do.
- Christian Ashley, Kevin Schaeffer, and Will Rose express their excitement about the film's portrayal of Superman, emphasizing its faithfulness to the character's heroic roots.
- The discussion engages with the film's political themes, reflecting on Superman's role as a moral figure in an increasingly complex world.
- The speakers appreciate the film's ability to weave in various elements of the DC universe, showcasing a rich tapestry of characters and conflicts.
- Listeners will gain insights into the character dynamics, particularly the relationship between Superman and Lois Lane, which is presented as a cornerstone of the narrative.
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Speaker A:This is systematic ecology.
Speaker A:We are the priest of the geeks.
Speaker A:And oh, we have such a special episode for you tonight.
Speaker A:One I have been itching to do.
Speaker A:Really ever since I think this movie was announced.
Speaker A:I knew I had to be on this one.
Speaker A: iler heavy review of Superman: Speaker A:Fair warning, if you have not seen it, please get to a theater and then come back because we're not doing a light, you know, spoiler free.
Speaker A:This is gon be.
Speaker A:We're diving deep into the movie, talking about all of its plot points and themes.
Speaker A:So be warned if you have not seen it yet.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But yes, we are talking about James Gunn.
Speaker A: Superman: Speaker A:I am Kevin Schaefer.
Speaker A:I am here with two of my geekologists, Will Rose and Christian Ashley.
Speaker A:Guys, how are you tonight?
Speaker B:Oh, well, I'm feeling kind, I'm feeling loving, I'm feeling merciful.
Speaker B:So in other words, I'm feeling punk rock.
Speaker C:Punk rock.
Speaker B:Feeling very punk rock.
Speaker B:And we can't be too long tonight because, guys, I have tickets.
Speaker B:I have tickets to go see the the Mighty Crab Joys.
Speaker B:So right after this, I'm going to go see that band.
Speaker B:So, you know, we can't be too long tonight.
Speaker A:Oh, tell me how they are.
Speaker A:I'm really anxious to see them at some point.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:Well, yes, I am very excited for this episode.
Speaker A:Before we get into the main topic, guys, what are you geeking out on?
Speaker A:If I can share mine real quick, it's not one I've watched recently, but I have to share this because our very own Will Rose, if you don't know, he stars in a movie that was created by many of our friends in the Comic Con community.
Speaker A:Okay, he did.
Speaker A:He does only have like about three seconds in it, but hey, it's pretty awesome.
Speaker A:But I bring that up because the movie Rep Child, which was created by a lot of our friends in the NC Comic Con community, written and directed by our good friend Brockton McKinney.
Speaker A:And Will Rose has a glorious cameo there at the beginning.
Speaker A:It is now on DVD and you can buy it both if you go to an Ultimate Comics location here in North Carolina.
Speaker A:You can pick it up there.
Speaker A:But you can also get it order it online from the Ultimate Comics website.
Speaker A:So it is on my shelf now.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I'm going to create my MBD page and Brockton shared with me that my wife and I both gave a great stink eye to the person at the bar making vulgar comments.
Speaker B:And that's why we Got an extra two seconds in the movie because our acting skills were just top notch.
Speaker B:Especially given the stink eye to somebody being very, very vulgar.
Speaker B:It's not a kids movie, but it is.
Speaker B:It was very, very fun and I hope they get it on a streaming service at some point in the near future.
Speaker A:Oh, it would be fantastic if they.
Speaker A:I know they've been talking about it, but yes, I was there at premiere night and then I showed it to the friends at Comic Con like a week or two later.
Speaker A:And yeah, no, if you like just bonkers B movie horror galore comedy, it is the movie for you.
Speaker A:So reps child, that is R E P T C H I L D again, go to the ultimate comics website.
Speaker A:You can pick it up there.
Speaker A:So that is what I wanted to plug tonight.
Speaker A:But Christian, what about you?
Speaker C:Yeah, I forgot to mention a couple weeks ago, some idiot and I, he goes by Joshua.
Speaker C:We went to the movies together.
Speaker C:We saw 28 days later.
Speaker A:That was good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:We walked out with two different opinions of the film.
Speaker C:I think mine is a little more middling.
Speaker C:I hope next ones are better.
Speaker C:I'm waiting to see what else they have to cook.
Speaker C:I. I'm not big on when people are rewarded for making stupid decisions, but that's a separate conversation.
Speaker A:I'll just say, I mean, I would be happy to do a review with you at some point.
Speaker A:I totally respect your opinions, but what I really liked without too much I'll just say is what they did with Ralphien's character and that that was a nice surprise.
Speaker A:I just thought it was gonna go one way and it didn't.
Speaker A:And I was, I thought it was really interesting.
Speaker A:Oh, my good friend Kyle is plugging on the discussion here.
Speaker A:He loved Reptile and got a DVD copy.
Speaker B:So, so, well, well, Kyle, I'll sign your DVD when.
Speaker B:When we see each other.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'll definitely sign up for you.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:My, my geeking out on is this little book here that Kevin recommended to me, Superman the Unauthorized Biography by Glenn Weldon.
Speaker B:It is fantastic.
Speaker B: e ages from where it began in: Speaker B:I'm deep diving in the history of Superman.
Speaker B:I feel like I know that hero pretty well because I've been around comics a long time.
Speaker B:But this book is.
Speaker B:Just gives great insight and it's written, written very, very well.
Speaker B:So highly recommend that if you want to go deeper into kind of the history and lore of Superman.
Speaker A:It's a beautiful book.
Speaker A:And also, Glenn Weldon is a longtime NPR writer and he wrote the review of the new Superman movie for npr.
Speaker A:So I checked that one out as well.
Speaker A:But yeah, he is just has an encyclopedic knowledge of the character and also the extensive publishing history behind dc.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker A:Excellent pick.
Speaker A:Awesome.
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Speaker A:So thank you all for tuning in and let's get into it.
Speaker A:So again, this is a movie I know we've talked about extensively on the show in the build up to it.
Speaker A:This is one I've been eagerly anticipating, not just since it was first announced, but really for decades.
Speaker A:And this is like.
Speaker A:I mean, we'll get into.
Speaker A:Yeah, there is my picture on opening night.
Speaker A:This is actually a shirt I got recently at the Warner Brothers studio tour.
Speaker A: I went back in: Speaker A:But I love it.
Speaker A:It's got the 90 years of DC at the top and it's got comic covers from different eras.
Speaker A:So Golden Age Bronze, Silver, so.
Speaker A:And modern.
Speaker A:So I wore that to opening night.
Speaker A:But yes, this is one.
Speaker A:You have heard our thoughts leading up to it.
Speaker A:So now we're finally going to get into.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Well, we actually thought of the movie do a deep dive and I cannot wait.
Speaker A:So so before we get into our overall interactions, I do have a plot summary written up and bear with me because there is a lot of plot to cover in this movie, so this is what I came up with.
Speaker A:But In a world where metahumans have been on Earth for three centuries, Superman has been active for three years.
Speaker A:After stopping the nation of Baravia from invading its neighbor Jha Onpour, he is defeated in battle for the first time by the Hammer of Baravia, and he goes to the Fortress of Solitude at the beginning of the movie to heal the glorious Krypto, which we'll talk about a lot, comes to his rescue and between Krypto and his robot assistants, they help him heal and restore his power.
Speaker A:At the Fortress of Solitude, meanwhile, Lex Luthor is orchestrating the Hammer attack and has dispatched the engineer, which we'll get into more later too, to locate the Fortress of Solitude.
Speaker A:The Hammer of Arabia turns out to be Ultraman, who we later learn is a clone of Superman under Lex's control.
Speaker A:Lex also has a pocket universe at his disposal, which is sort of this interdimensional gateway that he is using to construct a prison of his own design for all of his enemies.
Speaker A:And following the incident in Baravia, Lex urges the United States government to punish Superman for for intervening in an international conflict without any authority.
Speaker A:Though there are representatives who see his point here, they're reluctant to make a beloved hero into the enemy.
Speaker A:And it's during this time too, Superman gets a front page story at the Daily Planet because he's been interviewing himself.
Speaker A:But it's also during this time we learned that he and Lois have been dating for several months.
Speaker A:She is very aware that he is Superman.
Speaker A:And so it's during this time that Superman allows Lois to interview him about the Baravia incident, and this causes him to get a little defensive about his actions.
Speaker A:He insists that while he did act without any kind of authority from anyone else, he was doing it to save lives and to prevent widespread invasion.
Speaker A:So Lex then infiltrates the Fortress of Solitude to uncover an encrypted message from Superman's Kryptonian parents.
Speaker A:By the way, Jor El here is played by Bradley Cooper, which was a nice surprise.
Speaker A:And while he does this, he unleashes a Kaiju monster on Metropolis as a distraction.
Speaker A:With the assistance of the Justice Gang, which is comprised of Mr.
Speaker A:Terrific, Hawkerl and Guy Gardner, Green Lantern, Superman and the Justice Gang take down this monster, but soon after, Lex reveals in an interview on Basically, this version of Fox News that the message that he uncovered from Darrell, it details footage that Superman never saw before of Jor El telling him to actually rule over humanity.
Speaker A:And this, you know, causes the public to turn on Superman.
Speaker A:It causes an identity crisis for Superman.
Speaker A:And he returns to the Fortune of Solitude to find his robots in pieces and defeated.
Speaker A:And then Krypto is gone.
Speaker A:So he storms Lex's office demanding him to tell what he did with a dog.
Speaker A:Where's Krypto?
Speaker A:And this incident is caught on camera.
Speaker A:And it makes him even more controversial because here he is storming the office, breaking windows and threatening Lex.
Speaker A:And so, before things escalate any further, Superman tells Lois that he loves her and goes to turn himself into the government.
Speaker A:Lex has him thrown in his pocket universe prison and interrogated.
Speaker A:And here he uses Metamorpho, we meet.
Speaker A:And using his powers to torture Superman by creating a version of Kryptonite with his powers.
Speaker A:And in this scene, he also kills an innocent man with him.
Speaker A:And he's also here in cahoots with the President of Bravia.
Speaker A:And seeing the innocent man killed here is what breaks Metamorpho and it causes him to align with Superman on the condition that Superman rescue his son.
Speaker A:So back in the Daily Planet, Lois and Jimmy Olsen put together clues about Superman's whereabouts.
Speaker A:Lois goes to the Justice Gang for their help, but only Mr.
Speaker A:Terrific accompanies her to rescue Superman.
Speaker A:They go and break him out of the pocket universe along with Metamorpho, Metamorphos son and Crypto.
Speaker A:Superman and Lois go back to Smallville so Superman can heal and recuperate.
Speaker A:And during this time, Jimmy gets information from Lex's girlfriend Eve, because they're sort of in a flingy relationship.
Speaker A:We'll get into this later.
Speaker A:But Jimmy is quite the ladies man in this universe.
Speaker A:And she gives Jimmy information about Lex's plans to acquire territory in Jar Onpour and become a dictator and that he's orchestrated the invasion.
Speaker A:So she goes with this information to the Daily Planet crew so they can break the story.
Speaker A:Clark then gets a pep talk from PA Kent about how despite the message from Jor El and what it implies, it's ultimately who he decides is to be is what matters.
Speaker A:And this inspires him.
Speaker A:And then as Baravia prepares to attack Jaranpur and the people of Jaranpur cry out for Superman's help before he can go save them, Mr.
Speaker A:Terrific calls Superman to Metropolis to prevent a rift in the Pocket universe from destroying the city.
Speaker A:So he goes and battles both the Engineer and Ultraman, the latter for whom, again he learns, is his clone under Lex's control.
Speaker A:Ultraman takes the mask off and he sees the attempt, and that's how Lex was able to infiltrate the fortress earlier.
Speaker A:So then he calls in the Justice Gang to save Jar and Poor.
Speaker A:And after eventually defeating the Engineer and sending Ultraman into the pocket universe, Superman goes with Mr.
Speaker A:Terrific to stop Lex.
Speaker A:The Daily Planet story goes viral and exposes Lex's corruption, while Superman gives an inspiring peach about how he is just as human as anyone else.
Speaker A:Mr.
Speaker A:Terrific then takes over the control system and stops the rift from occurring.
Speaker A:Superman puts Lo puts Lex behind bars, and then he and Lois have this nice romantic moment and they tell each other they love each other.
Speaker A:And at the very end, in addition to a cameo from Supergirl, we get this nice moment where Superman replaces his once comforting message from Jor El and Laurel, his birth parents, with images of the Kents as his true parents.
Speaker A:And roll the credits.
Speaker A:So lot of plot there to unpack.
Speaker A:I know, and there's a reason I wanted to do a full plot summary because I think we're going to get into.
Speaker A:Well, there's a lot to discuss here, obviously, but I also want to get into, you know, there are people who love that this is a very lived in universe and also others who think that it is too overstuffed.
Speaker A:And just reading that plot summary, it is a lot.
Speaker A:But I think we're going to get into, does it work?
Speaker A:Does it not?
Speaker A:You know, so guys, where we're just thinking of overall impressions of this mov, what were your thoughts coming out of the theater?
Speaker A:I guess, Christian, we'll start with you.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I adore this movie.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:Everything that was building up to it, it's like, okay, you know, Gun starting his own DC movie universe.
Speaker C:It's like, I trust Gun.
Speaker C:He's done a great job.
Speaker C:Overall.
Speaker C:Creature Commandos really got me hyped even more.
Speaker C:And now we actually get to see the top dog Superman get a film worthy of him.
Speaker C:That has not happened for quite some time.
Speaker C:And it delivered.
Speaker C:Yeah, you can.
Speaker C:It's not a perfect film by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker C:But you know what?
Speaker C:It's fun.
Speaker C:It makes me care about everyone involved.
Speaker C:It has good messages to give.
Speaker C:The characters are in character.
Speaker C:We get good guys who are good guys.
Speaker C:We get bad guys who are bad guys.
Speaker C:We got politics messed up in the middle of it.
Speaker C:That brings ambiguity to it where both sides are kind of right in certain ways and it's just fun and it's nice to Watch a Superman that's actually a film that's actually fun.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker B:I agree, Christian.
Speaker B:I adore this film as well.
Speaker B:I was really nervous going to it because we've all talked about.
Speaker B:We saw the trailer.
Speaker B:We were smitten by the trailer.
Speaker B:I was crying during the trailer.
Speaker B:I love the trailer.
Speaker B:Is a perfect trailer.
Speaker B:And James Gunn, I trust, I loved his, all his movies with the MCU and the Suicide Squad, those kinds of things.
Speaker B:So I'm like, I trust his storytelling, his beats, his soundtrack, the way he, he makes you care about characters, BC list characters.
Speaker B:And so coming to this, it's like, I just hope they get Superman right.
Speaker B:And, and, and boy, did they ever.
Speaker B:They, they captured the true nature and character of Superman and comics.
Speaker B:And when the movie is done right, it, it really kind of pushes you to, to ask the question, what does it mean to be human?
Speaker B:And what does it mean to be humans together?
Speaker B:And so that's what this movie did.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:It, it was jam packed.
Speaker B:I think a friend of mine, friend of the show, Ryan, said that one of his friends said the movie watches like a comic book reads.
Speaker B:And I think that that is just like, nailed it.
Speaker B:And it's a six issue graphic novel, full story arc that, that I would take six months for me to finish, you know, collecting the comics and then have it in a graphic novel.
Speaker B:And it's right there in the movie.
Speaker B:So I loved it.
Speaker B:We'll get more into like the details of things that we love.
Speaker B:But yeah, and of course I spent by, by, by crypto and that dog.
Speaker B:I love that dog so much.
Speaker B:We could have had more crypto.
Speaker B:People are like, was he ever used?
Speaker B:No, he wasn't used enough.
Speaker B:Let's have more crypto.
Speaker A:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker A:I think crypto and Mr.
Speaker A:Terrific, are these still like standouts of.
Speaker A:Everyone wants more of both of them.
Speaker A:We'll get into more of that too.
Speaker A:But, but no, I know everything you both said.
Speaker A:I mean, you know, I, like, I've talked about on the show many times before.
Speaker A:I mean, the build up to this movie, it just, you know, I was so excited just from the trailers and from everything that James kind of teased that like you both said this was going to be very reverent of its source material.
Speaker A:This was going to be the Superman that was unabashedly heroic and good and being good because that's his nature and that's his character.
Speaker A:And he's raised by two loving parents who instilled in him the values that he carries out as a superhero.
Speaker A:And for years and Years, the DC and Warner Brothers struggled so long to get Superman off the ground in a cinematic universe again.
Speaker A:And I think a lot of that was just like this over desperation and trying to make him, quote, unquote, like more relevant and, you know, reimagine the character to make him cool and edgy and in my view, cynical.
Speaker A:And that's not the approach.
Speaker A:And this movie gets the character back to its roots and is not afraid to be an unabashed comic book movie with not only all of Superman and his powers and his traits, but also, like I said, the Justice Gang and other metahumans and this very lived in universe where it's not meant to mirror our own world.
Speaker A:There are aspects of our world that come into play.
Speaker A:But this is the DC universe.
Speaker A:This is Metropolis.
Speaker A:This is not trying to be modern day Earth.
Speaker A:It's trying to be its own fictional universe that brings to life the pages of the comics.
Speaker A:And I loved everything about that.
Speaker A:So, yeah, no, I mean, it's no secret that I love this movie.
Speaker A:I've seen it twice already and it's only been out since Thursday because I went on opening night and then I went against that.
Speaker A:And that's partly why my plot summary was so energetic, is because I'm just so fired up and ready to talk about how much I love this movie, but also without.
Speaker A:I don't want this entire episode to just be, oh, we love this movie.
Speaker A:There's a lot to unpack here in, in terms of character beats, in terms of storylines, in terms of questions about its political themes and allegory.
Speaker A:So there's a lot to get into here.
Speaker A:I want to start by asking the question of.
Speaker A:Okay, like I mentioned, just from that plot summary, there is a lot going on in this movie and it's only two hours and nine minutes.
Speaker A:Do you guys think objectively it succeeds in being, you know, like in combining a lot of storylines, having a lot of characters and still having a cohesive narrative.
Speaker B:I, I'll just.
Speaker B:Real, real quick.
Speaker B:I, I'll share.
Speaker B:I liked, as someone who has seen and read the origin of Superman over and over again, I loved it that we just had those opening statements that let you know where you are in the movie.
Speaker B:I don't need the origin story.
Speaker B:I don't need a full 30 minutes to an hour leading up to him coming to Earth and him joining the.
Speaker B:The Planet or, or get to know Lois and Legs.
Speaker B:Like we.
Speaker B:We're in the movie and already in the movie, you know, he's already been dating Lois for, for three Months.
Speaker B:Lex already hates him.
Speaker B:It starts with him being defeated.
Speaker B:You start a Superman movie with him defeated.
Speaker B:Showing him vulnerable like that is bold.
Speaker B:And so they start with him with a loss and then build from there.
Speaker B:So jumping right in.
Speaker B:I really, I, I, I love that we jump right into the universe and, and there's more to learn along the way.
Speaker B:And they'll fill that out as the DCU grows and these TV shows and fill in that stuff.
Speaker B:But to hop right, Rock and roll.
Speaker B:Let's do it.
Speaker B:I, I really like that.
Speaker B:Now some of my family members who aren't as familiar with the dcu, they had to play a little bit of catch up with some of the characters and background.
Speaker B:Is that in the comics?
Speaker B:Who is that character?
Speaker B:Is that, am I supposed to know who this person is?
Speaker B:I don't know who this person is.
Speaker B:Is this a, like a part of the Justice Gang or Justice League or.
Speaker B:They just made up for the movie.
Speaker B:And I was able behind after to say, yeah, here's some of their background and you'll learn more about them later on.
Speaker B:We're not quite to the Justice League yet, but they have the hall of justice and the working, they're, they're still working on that name.
Speaker B:They're still working.
Speaker B:It's a, it's a workshop.
Speaker B:They're workshopping the name and, and I love that.
Speaker B:I know, I know I was ready for that one of them to go like, shouldn't we?
Speaker B:Are we just friends?
Speaker B:And somebody goes, super friends.
Speaker B:I was ready for that.
Speaker B:But it didn't.
Speaker C:That's, that's what I written.
Speaker B:But I, I like that they jump right into movie and we just go from the get go.
Speaker B:That's, that's good.
Speaker B:Christian, how about you, man?
Speaker C:Yeah, that's a lot in this film.
Speaker C:Not all of it works well, but for the most part I say it does.
Speaker C:And I really appreciated the beginning where it's like, look, this is the DC universe, by the way.
Speaker C: bably a just a society in the: Speaker C:People know that they exist.
Speaker C:So like they're not afraid that Superman's an alien.
Speaker C:They're afraid about what's been revealed.
Speaker C:And that's its own plot thread along the way.
Speaker C:We can debate about that, but then we get into the conflict between Lex and Superman and the words that are used there to be like, yeah, I know I'm lesser than you and I hate that fact back.
Speaker C:That's why I'm going to do Everything in my power to be more powerful than you.
Speaker C:Brain beats brawn, which is done extremely well.
Speaker C:The villains he uses are fine.
Speaker C:The, you know, the Ultraman is way different than what an Ultraman would be.
Speaker C:He's kind of more like.
Speaker C:More pretty Bizarro, who doesn't speak that much.
Speaker C:And the Engineer, I'm not big on the Authority, so.
Speaker C:But apparently she's going to be in the Authority film, so maybe that'll change my mind about it because there was a really good.
Speaker B:Real quick.
Speaker B:I'm not familiar with the Authority.
Speaker B:Is she a character in the Authority?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:And apparently she's also a hero there.
Speaker C:So I think this may be gun.
Speaker C:Like, going from villain to hero.
Speaker C:That wasn't done in the comics maybe, but I'm not that familiar with them, so I can't speak too much there.
Speaker C:But what they do with the Daily Planet staff, for the most part, pretty good.
Speaker C:They give them an actual reason to be in the story.
Speaker C:And we don't get a lot of, like Perry or as the Chief, but we get plenty of Lois and Jimmy and we get a little bit of the supporting cast there and, like, giving a surprising, like, editorial that flashes all the information they find out about Lex Luthor and his plans that help defeat him in a way that he's defeated beyond being beaten by Superman in a fight and crypto in a fight.
Speaker C:So that's done extremely well.
Speaker C:The bringing in the other heroes, I was a little hesitant about that, but they won me over.
Speaker C:Mr.
Speaker C:Terrific, I mean, that's my guy ever since I first saw him in Justice League Unlimited.
Speaker C:And, like, Batman was showing him respect, I'm like, oh, okay, well, clearly I'm a show and respect, too.
Speaker C:And he proves himself.
Speaker C:He's Mr.
Speaker C:Terrific.
Speaker C:He says, in a way, I'm not going to say you know, over in podcast form, but he's.
Speaker C:He's Mr.
Speaker C:Terrific, and I'm ready.
Speaker C:Like, I want a solo film for him now.
Speaker C:His actor, I can't remember his name off top of my head.
Speaker C:Fantastic.
Speaker A:He was brilliant.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Guy Gardner.
Speaker C:I mean, if Guy Gardner could move from the comics into live action, Nathan Fillion did it.
Speaker C:It's a complete nutter jerk who's also a hero.
Speaker C:I love what they do with them.
Speaker C:Hawk Girl is the one I didn't do too much with, but I'm okay with that.
Speaker C:I know other people have been, like, criticizing that, but it's fine.
Speaker C:But, yeah, Superman's relationship with Lois is great.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Crypto works perfectly in this film in a way that Normally, like, why would you ever do any of the goofier aspects of the comics?
Speaker C:Or, why don't you just embrace them and make them fun?
Speaker C:And that's what Gunn does really well here.
Speaker C:He embraces the goofy and stupid things and makes you believe in them 100%.
Speaker A:And, yeah, you did get that key.
Speaker A:So played Mr.
Speaker A:Terrific.
Speaker A:When I saw him in an interview on the DC podcast, he was just, like, the coolest guy in the room.
Speaker A:And I'm just like, this is perfect casting.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:So even before the movie, I knew it was great casting, but I was surprised by how much he was in the movie because when they said, you know, that those characters were going to be in it, I figured they were going to be, you know, like, maybe in a couple scenes or whatever.
Speaker A:Establishes there are other superheroes in this universe.
Speaker A:But I really love what they did with his character.
Speaker A:And also, like, the friend I saw it with on Thursday night.
Speaker A:One of his biggest tropes that he hates in super movies is when superheroes are unnecessarily fighting each other.
Speaker A:And here they didn't do it.
Speaker A:Like, they.
Speaker A:They have, like, a little beef at the beginning about Superman is trying to save the Kaiju monster and, like, have it, like, studied.
Speaker A:And the rest of Justice Gang is like, come on, dude.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker A:Let's just kill it.
Speaker A:But, like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And the other point is, like, is the Justice Gang is funded by Max.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Max Lord.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:He's a shady character, too.
Speaker B:So that, like, I can understand.
Speaker B:Like, Superman wants to be independent.
Speaker B:He's only three years into being Supes.
Speaker B:So this is kind of a young justice.
Speaker B:So I like what I liked about another part of this is Superman can't be everywhere at one time, and he has that kind of guilt.
Speaker B:Like, I should do more.
Speaker B:I can do more.
Speaker B:Why can't I do more?
Speaker B:What do I do?
Speaker B:But he has this other team out there that.
Speaker B:Even.
Speaker B:Even that.
Speaker B:Like, that scene where him and Lois are having a conversation and the Justice Gang's fighting that, like, thing in the background is hilarious, by the way.
Speaker A:Yes, that was a great scene because.
Speaker B:Yeah, admitting.
Speaker B:Admitting, like, they got it covered.
Speaker B:I. I can take a breather.
Speaker B:There's other metahumans out there.
Speaker B:And so later on in the.
Speaker B:And when he can't be at two plays with the rift and the war going on, I was like, I forgot about just Gang.
Speaker B:I was like, how is he going to do both at one time?
Speaker B:And then he's like, I have friends.
Speaker B:I have a free that got a handle.
Speaker B:And they were there.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, that's right.
Speaker B:And that's what I love about movies and comics, is that we don't have to do it all by ourselves.
Speaker B:Even Superman has friends and team, even though he's not officially on the team yet, he will be the.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker B:That you can lean on others.
Speaker B:You can lean on others who have gifts too.
Speaker B:So, man, I love that aspect.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker B:That reminded me.
Speaker B:Yep, yep.
Speaker B:Will, you don't have to do it all.
Speaker B:There are friends out there who can create cool slides like.
Speaker B:Like Christian camp.
Speaker B:Because I can't do it all here on YouTube.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:And, you know, when I think about this movie in terms of, like, objectively looking at it, of is it overstuffed, Is there's too much going on, or does it work?
Speaker A:Well, I thought about other comic movies that have a lot going on and ones that do it well and want to do it poorly, and I thought about two in particular.
Speaker A:So I'm gonna reference both Spider man movies here.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But Spider Man 3, which is a bad example of, you know, like, something that is overstuffed and has so many storylines that don't work.
Speaker A:Because you think about even the first few minutes of that movie, you have, okay, you have Harry's green gob to attack Peter.
Speaker A:Obviously, that relationship is already established.
Speaker A:But then you introduce two villain origins back to back that don't really connect anyway because you have the Venom symbiote arriving on Earth juxtaposed with Sandman's origin, and neither of them really coalesce.
Speaker A:And again, there's a whole thing about that, about Sam Raimi never even wanted to include Venom.
Speaker A:The studio forsome, too.
Speaker A:That aside, that's an example of bad writing where it is, like, too much.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:The problem is not that there are too many villains or too many characters in that movie.
Speaker A:It's that they're not utilized.
Speaker A:Well.
Speaker A:On the flip side, let's look at Spider man into the Spider Verse, which James Gunn has cited as his favorite comic book movie.
Speaker A:And the influence of that, I think, shows here tremendously, because that is a movie that has a lot going on, a lot of characters.
Speaker A:It has multiverse concepts.
Speaker A:It has, you know, all these different heroes and villains colliding, but it maintains a character focus and a cohesive narrative.
Speaker A:And I think, for the most part, this movie does that.
Speaker A:You know, I mean, it's not perfect by any means.
Speaker A:Like, when I think about some other James Gunn's other movies, I still think the Suicide Squad is, like, pretty close to a Perfect movie and.
Speaker A:But this one has its faults, but it's.
Speaker A:But even with everything going on, I like that it establishes that it's in a lived in universe.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:We don't need to see Superman's origin again.
Speaker A:And the characters that show up, yes, not every.
Speaker A:All of them are going to get a full fleshed out storyline and background, but they can show up and be part of the story and, you know, show up later and get expanded on more and that's okay.
Speaker A:Pop Girl, for example, I mean, she's one of my favorite characters.
Speaker A:Yeah, she didn't have a ton to do here.
Speaker A:I mean, I do like that actor a lot, Isabella Merced.
Speaker A:But I mean, I mean, again, this is more.
Speaker A:Those characters are here in this universe.
Speaker A:They're doing their own thing.
Speaker A:They don't necessarily have to be the focus in this movie to exist here in the story.
Speaker A:So I think overall it juggles a lot and it does really well.
Speaker A:I was actually, I was talking with Kyle earlier, who punched in the YouTube chat earlier.
Speaker A:What I said was I was thinking about, like, when James Gunn was writing this movie.
Speaker A:It's almost like he had a buffet of Superman media from different.
Speaker A:So from the Animated series, the Richard Donner movie, the comics, like all these things all star Superman and he kind of pulled all his favorite tidbits and kind of, you know, mesh them together and cooked them into a perfect pie.
Speaker A:And you know, again, you know, it's not perfect by any means, but he maintains a focus here and he, you know, he has themes here that work really well.
Speaker A:Yeah, I like that it is like.
Speaker A:Well, you said.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He doesn't have to be everywhere all at once.
Speaker A:You can rely on the help of the Justice Gang.
Speaker A:There are, there are superheroes in.
Speaker A:Happening in this universe.
Speaker A:Again, they say at the very beginning, metahumans have been on Earth for 300 years.
Speaker A:So I like that we don't have to deal with the whole ramifications of, oh, how is humanity reacting to ready metahumans.
Speaker A:They already know they exist.
Speaker A:Like I said, we get to a central plot point here about a message about Superman's original purpose on Earth and how that affects humanity and his perception.
Speaker A:So, yeah, overall, I think it really succeeds in all these areas.
Speaker A:And while it's not, you know, there are things I can impact at.
Speaker A:And I will say, like, I wanted to see more of Perry White here.
Speaker A:I love the Daily Planet scenes and that actor was fantastic.
Speaker A:So there are things, you know, with a lot of moving parts, it's hard to give enough screen time to everyone.
Speaker A:But overall everything really comes together and it remains a clear focus of Superman's struggle with reconciling, you know, what his original purpose from his Kryptonian parents was with who he actually is as a person and how his upbringing ultimately forms him to who he is.
Speaker A:And then of course, Lex is the villain and you know, his reasons for hitting Superman.
Speaker B:So yeah, I mean, I mean when you get, boil it down is identity.
Speaker B:You know, who do, who am I and who do people say that I am and who am I going to listen to to in the midst of those identity questions and identity crisises and those kinds of things that people go through in life?
Speaker B:And so I think this, this movie really set that up really well.
Speaker B:All the, well, all the while him being the hero and showing why the hero is, is what makes a hero.
Speaker B:And so I, I think that's fantastic.
Speaker B:The thing that I, you, you just kind of sparked to me.
Speaker B:I have a question.
Speaker B:Is there a gun cut?
Speaker B:Are there things on, is there things on the cutting room floor where, where there's edits, where he's going to put out a three hour movie, where there we get new Perry White, where we get more Jimmy Olsen, where we get those things?
Speaker B:I'm curious if they'll be like, they'll probably steer away from like tropes like the Snyder cut just so they can, you know, move their own way and not troll that whole side of, of fandom.
Speaker B:But I think, yeah, I'm, I'm curious what, after seeing this movie, what do they cut out and didn't make the final, the final cut there, but, but yeah, brilliant movie and really good spot.
Speaker A:I did see something as recently as like a month or two ago.
Speaker A:He cut about 20 minutes of footage after some initial screenings and got some feedback and stuff.
Speaker A:And I mean, I mean I thought it was impressive that this movie is 2 hours and 9 minutes and as much plot as it has into it, it remains concise and it doesn't waste time.
Speaker A:So I mean, as much as I love sitting in the theater for three hours, I realize not everyone is up for that.
Speaker A:And, and you can still, I mean like, as a storyteller myself, like it is hard to kill your darlings and even a scene that you really like, if it doesn't, if it's not permanent to the story, sometimes it has to be left out.
Speaker A:But yes, I, I think it's very possible we could get a director's cut on a Blu ray or at the very least have delete scenes on there because I would love to see.
Speaker A:I know, because they filmed the Daily Planet stuff for, like, days.
Speaker A:So I know there's more footage there.
Speaker A:I'm sure there's more.
Speaker A:Probably pop mine.
Speaker A:So there, you know, But.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But I do appreciate that, like, you know, they strive to make this really tight and work.
Speaker A:And that's why I referenced spider verse earlier, because that's a movie again, that has a lot going on and it remains very tight and cohesive.
Speaker A:And that's not easy to do, but.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So I know we talked a lot about your parts and stuff, too, but what are some of your.
Speaker A:Let's do favorite scenes first.
Speaker A:I know we've mentioned a little, but.
Speaker A:Christian, do you want to start on that?
Speaker C:That's a good one.
Speaker C:It's tough to narrow it down.
Speaker C:There's some really great scenes here.
Speaker C:And from our more human moments, I mean, I really appreciate Clark and PA Kent talking to each other and let him be his own man.
Speaker C:And that's based off some things.
Speaker C:I'm still kind of, like, wrestling with what they decided to do with that, whether I like it or not.
Speaker C:But that's.
Speaker C:That's for a separate conversation in a bit as well.
Speaker C:Like the.
Speaker C:The beach scene with Mr.
Speaker C:Terrific and Lois Lane, like, assaulting the Planet Watch or whatever it is group.
Speaker C:It's like, oh, like, please give me more of that.
Speaker C:It's like.
Speaker C:Of characters being competent.
Speaker C:That's a major reason why Mr.
Speaker C:Terrific is one of my favorite DC characters.
Speaker C:He's just a competent man and not in, like, an overbearing way.
Speaker C:You could easily do that with a character like him who is smarter than most people, who is more arrogant than most people, because he's kind of earned it.
Speaker C:Well, that's why I like him, because he's earned it versus, like, you know, a character showing him, say, I'm me.
Speaker C:And he hasn't done anything to establish that, or she hasn't done anything to establish that.
Speaker C:He's established that.
Speaker C:He's earned it.
Speaker C:I gotta say, I really appreciate it because I didn't expect this.
Speaker C:I appreciate it a lot.
Speaker C:When all the Daily Planet staff were in his ship and doing their job and, like, Lex had been beaten, but now he's even more beaten because you've got him losing physically.
Speaker C:Now he's lost the public and the media who were singing his praises not five seconds ago.
Speaker C:It's nice to see competent people get rewarded.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker A:Totally agree.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Everything Crypto is in.
Speaker B:I was smitten and I loved it.
Speaker B:But I like there's subtle Things like, I loved the big fights.
Speaker B:I love the teams working together.
Speaker B:That when.
Speaker B:When Supes goes like, supernova and it's like fighting all those people in armor, you know, and like spins and shoots him off and says.
Speaker B:I was like, yeah, there he is.
Speaker B:He's leveled up right there.
Speaker B:But then there's like, subtle moments where, like, you know, this is a PG13 movie, so there's cussing going on.
Speaker B:Like, they're.
Speaker B:They're cussing all around and then.
Speaker B:But you still go back to.
Speaker B:To Superman or Clark and he's saying like, dang it.
Speaker B:And what the heck?
Speaker B:And what the heck, dog.
Speaker B:You know, and it's like.
Speaker B:And it's not cheesy.
Speaker B:It's not corny.
Speaker B:I mean, if it is, it's like that's what's enduring.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker B:That's him.
Speaker B:And it captures that.
Speaker B:I. I love that.
Speaker B:And then I love that we have a Hulk puny, God smashing Loki moment.
Speaker B:Except this time it's crypto with Lex that he's about to pontificate and give this speech just like Superman did.
Speaker B:And then all of a sud comes crypto to grab them and throw them around the room.
Speaker B:I was cheering in my seat.
Speaker B:I loved it so, so much.
Speaker B:I love that scene.
Speaker A:I think for me, I mean, I definitely go all that.
Speaker A:But the one that really stands out in.
Speaker A:Even though they gave quite a bit of it away, the trailer.
Speaker A:I love that trailer.
Speaker A:But maybe they gave a little too much.
Speaker A:But the Superman and Lois interview and the Z where Lois interviews Clark as Superman in their apartment.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:You know, we've had some great Clark and Lois's over the years in movies and tv.
Speaker A:I mean, TV in particular.
Speaker A:Superman and Lois.
Speaker A:Tyler Eklin and Elizabeth Tulak are great in that series.
Speaker A:Tom Welling and why am I drawing a blank on there?
Speaker A:But in Smallville.
Speaker A:I'll think of it in a sec.
Speaker A:And then of course, in the Donner film, Chris Fare, Eve and Margot Kidder.
Speaker A:But David Gordon Sweat and Rachel Brosnahan rank high up on the list.
Speaker A:Now, their chemistry was.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Erica Drax.
Speaker A:Yeah, so I like, they were great.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But, yeah, Corinne's wedding Bronze the hand with that scene.
Speaker A:Their chemistry was lightning.
Speaker A:They were.
Speaker A:They were zoned together.
Speaker A:And what I love about that scene is, like I said, Superman gets defensive in that because, you know, Lois is doing her job as the Replicas at that point.
Speaker A:You know, Superman has been quote, unquote, interviewing himself and writing all the stories as Clark.
Speaker A:And so, you know, he lets Lois do her job and interview him this time and be an objective reporter here and ask him about, hey, why did you intervene in this international conflict without any authority, without consulting the president?
Speaker A:And he immediately gets defensive and says, people are going to die.
Speaker A:I wasn't representing anyone.
Speaker A:I was just doing good.
Speaker A:And you know, and it is something the Superman would do.
Speaker A:And also, I think particularly a early.
Speaker A:Like this is a year three Superman, he's not fully.
Speaker A:Altogether.
Speaker A:He's not fully wise.
Speaker A:He's still making mistakes.
Speaker A:He's still.
Speaker A:And that is something more like younger, a little more reckless Superman would do is go and intervene in an international conflict despite the ramifications of it, whether that's good or not.
Speaker A:And we'll get into.
Speaker A:More into those political themes.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But that's just something that he would do at this point in his life and career.
Speaker A:And I just really liked how they played off on that.
Speaker A:So, yeah, that was fantastic.
Speaker A:And yeah, I just love both of their performances.
Speaker A:And then beyond that, yeah, of course the pocket scene was great.
Speaker A:Anything with Lex Luthor, I. Nicholas Holt killed it.
Speaker A:I mean, not that that was surprising, but still, it just.
Speaker A:You cannot have been.
Speaker A:Can.
Speaker A:Now.
Speaker A:Fun fact is, back when this movie was announced, before I knew who David Gordon.
Speaker A:So it was.
Speaker A:My fan casting was actually Nicholas Holt as Superman and Anthony Kerrigan as Lex.
Speaker A:So I. I do find it ironically, they both got roles in this and I think were better than that.
Speaker A:I mean, they.
Speaker A:I think they still could have done good in those roles, but David Corinth was just perfect as Superman.
Speaker A:Hulk was perfect as Lex.
Speaker A:And then I love that Metamorpho is in this as well.
Speaker A:So all of that.
Speaker A:I'm trying to think what else, you know, like, as far as like standout action scenes.
Speaker A:I did really like the Kaiju one just because that's when you introduced it, the Justice Gang.
Speaker A:But I think the best.
Speaker A:Probably the best acting scene.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Does not involve Superman.
Speaker A:It's actually the Mr.
Speaker A:Terrific, as I'll see.
Speaker A:That was.
Speaker A:I mean, it was kind of a classic gun move in terms.
Speaker A:Because it.
Speaker A:It very much mirrored the Yondo stuff in Guardians of the Galaxy, that scene in Guardians 2.
Speaker A:And I was all that.
Speaker A:I did not mind at all.
Speaker A:And it was like.
Speaker A:Like kind of taking the same tactics there because that scene was amazing.
Speaker A:But yeah, so those were some of my favorites.
Speaker B:Oh, wait.
Speaker B:And Superman saved a squirrel, guys.
Speaker B:He saved a squirrel.
Speaker B:Come on.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And agree with Kyle.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:I love the scene with him and Lois, the interview.
Speaker C:Because it is so very difficult to write conflict where both People are right.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:And they're both right for different reasons.
Speaker C:Like, look, modern comic writers like to take away truth, justice in the American way because of certain things that have happened.
Speaker C:But that's what Superman is.
Speaker C:He is truth, justice in the American way.
Speaker C:He represents America because he is an American.
Speaker C:He's primarily lived here.
Speaker C:He primarily works here.
Speaker C:So him acting internationally in that way makes America look a certain way.
Speaker C:So he's doing that whether he recognizes it or not.
Speaker C:At that same time, he's precisely right.
Speaker C:People are going to be murdered for no good reason.
Speaker C:And just because that person, that country, is an American ally does not mean that we just sweep it under the rug and say, oh, that's what we can do.
Speaker C:Like, he had to intervene.
Speaker C:And him convincing, you know, Guy and the Justice Gang, these guys are like, oh, I don't get into politics.
Speaker C:It's like, well, no, sometimes you need to get involved in various ways to help protect people.
Speaker C:And yeah, you're making a political statement by doing so.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:And there are repercussions for that act.
Speaker C:But he still did the right thing and Lois is doing the right thing too.
Speaker C:And calling him out for what he did.
Speaker C:That's an extremely well done sing.
Speaker B:Tough questions help you focus on why you do what you do.
Speaker B:So even within the church, when people ask me like, why are we doing this?
Speaker B:When this was like, ah, you know, just let me do things that I feel called to do.
Speaker B:It's like, no, they're good questions.
Speaker B:Is what helps me hone in and helps me go inward and think about, yeah, why am I doing this?
Speaker B:Why, what am I going to do?
Speaker B:What, how do I use my gifts?
Speaker B:All those things.
Speaker B:Tough questions bring out hopefully, you know, sharp answers to why you do what you do or who you are, you are and what you represent in the world.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So yeah, that.
Speaker B:That was very, very good.
Speaker B:And the tension was good.
Speaker B:I wasn't cheesy.
Speaker B:I was sitting on the edge of my seat.
Speaker B:What's going to happen here?
Speaker B:Are they going to break up?
Speaker B:Does she.
Speaker B:You know that little comment of where this is never going to work?
Speaker B:You know, it's like, yeah, on paper, it's not like you're a human.
Speaker B:He's Kryptonian.
Speaker B:No, it's not gonna work.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:And yet their chemistry there at the end and.
Speaker B:And I did.
Speaker B:I got a tear my eye.
Speaker B:The final scene where.
Speaker B:Where they embraced and flew in the air.
Speaker B:Like I. I was wailing up.
Speaker B:I was feeling.
Speaker B:I was feeling all the romantic feels and I was like, ah, this is so good.
Speaker B:So I felt.
Speaker B:I felt all that.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And that's what you do in the movie.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker B:Not only do I want to see the comics I love come to life and.
Speaker B:And see them represented away, but yet I want to.
Speaker B:I want to feel what the movie's trying to make me feel in terms of.
Speaker B:Of hope, tension, fear.
Speaker B:The stakes are high.
Speaker B:But then at the end, like, yeah, yeah, in the end, the guy gets the girl, the girl gets the guy.
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker B:They're partners.
Speaker A:They just made for each other.
Speaker A:And I. Yeah, I like that they didn't, you know, try to subvert that or anything.
Speaker A:It's just, you know, this is Clark and Lois and brought to life, and they were just so made for each other and they, you know, they have.
Speaker A:They build off each other's strengths and have that, you know, clear love for each other no matter what.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, do you want to ask him, speaking of, like, the themes and all of this that you want to ask, your question that you talk about before we started recording?
Speaker B:Yeah, I. I'll bring that.
Speaker B:But first, were there any misses where there's things in here that you guys think.
Speaker B:Like, for me, I'll just start.
Speaker B:Like, I, I get.
Speaker B:I get a little uncomfortable, annoyed when they make Jor El like a villain because I'm like, or.
Speaker B:Or.
Speaker B:Or a question.
Speaker B:Like, his character is like, dude, he's the one who is trying to save Krypton.
Speaker B:Nobody was listening to him.
Speaker B:He was like, scientists, listen to me.
Speaker B:I'm trying to save my kid.
Speaker B:I'm trying to save this planet.
Speaker B:But he was unsuccessful.
Speaker B:That's why he sent his son to Earth so that he can be a hope for Earth and.
Speaker B:And be an example of that.
Speaker B:So when they make him a villain or a colonizer or like a master race.
Speaker B:I know they play around that in the comic.
Speaker B:Some Kryptonians seeing their hubris, you know, but Jerrell even being tempted about that.
Speaker B:There's maybe a John Byrne run, Mark Wade other.
Speaker B:Other runs that kind of tease a little bit.
Speaker B:Maybe JL Was sending him so that he could be a God among.
Speaker A:You know, the.
Speaker B:The young haven't quite advanced yet, Earthlings, but.
Speaker B:But that.
Speaker B:That gets me.
Speaker B:But in this particular movie, that being used sort out his identity of what am I human?
Speaker B:Am I an alien?
Speaker B:Who am I and why do I matter?
Speaker B:Or how do I use my.
Speaker B:My power and.
Speaker B:And privilege in.
Speaker B:In this particular thing I thought was used.
Speaker B:Well, so that was my only thing that I was like, I hate it when they make Trail and they made it a point.
Speaker B:It's like, oh, Lex just like, you know, fabricated it because he has all the AI, you know, monkey trolls on the Internet.
Speaker B:But he.
Speaker B:But Mr.
Speaker B:Terrific made it a point to say a few times, like, no, no, no, this is authentic.
Speaker B:I checked it out.
Speaker B:So I don't think maybe there could be a fabrication, you know, reveal at some point.
Speaker B:But Mr. Traffic was like, nah, nah, that's.
Speaker B:That's real.
Speaker B:So anyway, you guys go for it.
Speaker A:I would say for me, the only, like, I guess I did want a little more Perry White.
Speaker A:I just again, I love that actor.
Speaker A:And I thought, yeah, yeah, it was great.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But I also.
Speaker A:I know there's a lot going on here.
Speaker A:I guess the only thing I didn't hate it or anything like that, but it was just like.
Speaker A:The only thing I was like, okay, this just doesn't feel bad, high stakes, because I know it's gonna be resolved is the whole like riff with the pocket universe at the very end when there's already a lot going on with the, you know, the justice gang stopping Gravia.
Speaker A:Superman's just battled engineer and Ultraman and then he's still gonna stop Flex and all that.
Speaker A:It just felt like one more kind of like, you know, third act kind of compliment movie kind of thing.
Speaker A:Again, I didn't hate it, but it just like that was kind of one thing I could have done without and it still would have worked fine.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Yeah, but those are really the, you know, I.
Speaker A:Because I was trying to like the first time I watched it, it was so much going on, so much thicken.
Speaker A:Watching it today, I was able to be more objective and look at it and I thought that mo stuff really did work.
Speaker A:But yeah, so I'd say just little quips like that.
Speaker C:Yeah, I'm gonna piggyback off of Will.
Speaker C:When Telltale did their Batman games, one of the things that they changed was making the Waynes criminals alongside the Maronis and Southdoors and so on and so forth and Bruce having to be affected by that.
Speaker C:And it was interesting done there, but that's not the main continuity.
Speaker C:And this is supposed to be the main continuity, as it were.
Speaker C:And if this were like a spin off series, sure, we could explore that idea.
Speaker C:And I don't.
Speaker C:I'm not big on it.
Speaker C:Especially since one of the things they are pushing a lot as they have in recent on both sides, is the idea of Superman as immigrant.
Speaker C:And I think that really undermines what they're attempting to do because you have the more radical People who want no immigration at all, take care, get rid of all of them legal and illegal.
Speaker C:Because now you've made this person who is the best of the best he is coming from people who had ulterior motives.
Speaker C:Like that's what the conspiracy theories are.
Speaker C:They're here to replace Judd, they're here to replace us.
Speaker C:And that's literally what happens in this film.
Speaker C:And that undermines the point you're trying to make of Superman.
Speaker C:And it's.
Speaker C:And I still take a different stance and I'm sure you two will in that.
Speaker C:That there's a difference between.
Speaker C:There is no other way possible for us to do anything.
Speaker C:So we're going to send him somewhere illegally versus someone choosing to break the law and crossing a border.
Speaker C:Yeah, there's a difference in that.
Speaker C:But I don't get why that decision was made.
Speaker C:If you really want to hammer in the fact that yes, Superman is an immigrant, he is illegal in many respects.
Speaker C:And despite all that, he's turned out to be this way because of being raised by pure good old fashioned morals and American values and in certain continuities, you know, actually Christian morals.
Speaker C:And now that's taken away to an extent by what his parents intended.
Speaker C:And I'm not big on that because.
Speaker C:And when I'm grateful for the scenes we get in the film as a result of it, because it makes Clark question himself.
Speaker C:It makes.
Speaker C:It leads to that great scene with him talking to, you know, Pod Kent who has always been there supportive in his life and has now giving him the wisdom that I would expect him to give.
Speaker C:That's a great scene, but it's based off of stuff I'm not that big on.
Speaker B:And, and the movie does at the end come full circle with like, oh, you know, these, this, these words from his parents, from Krypton soothes him.
Speaker B:But then he replaces it with like my true family that raised me.
Speaker B:That's what suits him.
Speaker B:So that you could.
Speaker B:Cindy reminded me, she was like, yeah, you know, you had the, you know, you have to think about colonization and what that means a colonizer.
Speaker B:But then you also at the end, you wouldn't have that beautiful scene at the end where he leans into like pot and man.
Speaker B:His childhood of really what makes him human is, is the.
Speaker B:Not just nature but the nurture that, that he got and, and the call to, to like taking care of one another.
Speaker B:That's what it meant to be human.
Speaker B:And so, so yeah, yeah, I get it.
Speaker B:I get a small nitpick, just a small, just Jor El when He's seen as a, you know, a jerk.
Speaker B:I'm like, no, he.
Speaker B:I want to like that guy because he tried to save his planet from, like.
Speaker A:Especially because, like, Bradley Cooper's playing.
Speaker A:It's like, oh, you want him to be the.
Speaker A:You know, but maybe.
Speaker B:Maybe it's still fabrication.
Speaker B:Maybe they're like, come out like, yeah, yeah, that too.
Speaker B:Alex is smart and even fooled.
Speaker B:Mr. Trifnick.
Speaker B:I don't know, but we'll see.
Speaker A:It doesn't matter.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't think that's what the film is saying.
Speaker C:That's what I really hope it's actually being done is that this is a fabrication.
Speaker C:And like, even, like the.
Speaker C:One of the world's smartest men is fooled by it.
Speaker C:And I think that's something to say about all of us, is any of us could be fooled by deepfakes, by AI in that way, which, I mean, consider your source number one.
Speaker C:Who stands the most to gain from this if it is altered in any way, shape or form?
Speaker C:Of course, Lex Luthor is the one who gains the most.
Speaker C:So I.
Speaker C:In my heart of hearts, I hope it is actually doctored.
Speaker C:But given what the film presents, I guess the answer is no.
Speaker A:Yeah, that is a really good point about the.
Speaker A:You know, and.
Speaker A:But yeah, because I think it works well in the context of the movie.
Speaker A:But when you think about that in a larger context.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's like you want.
Speaker A:You know, and if you want to think it's like, maybe some Kryptonians wanted that, but you want kind of like.
Speaker A:Like Jor El especially to be, you know, like, wanting him to be a symbol of hope for humanity, not its colonizer Destroyer.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that leads us to kind of like, you know, the.
Speaker B:The critics or things out there.
Speaker B:And whenever you have any kind of superhero movie you're going to have in our polarized world, people.
Speaker B:Some people gonna love it because it.
Speaker B:It confirms their confirmation bias of the way they think the world operates and what makes a hero and what doesn't.
Speaker B:And then there are some who are like, no, no, wait a minute.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And there.
Speaker B:This film's too woke because they use the word immigrant or refugee.
Speaker B:You have Superman battling a billionaire who's jealous of attention and fear of the other and has a pocket universe where he's putting people in cages.
Speaker B:So there are those things that are happening.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Is it too woke or is it just.
Speaker B:Has Superman always been this way in the comics?
Speaker B:Since Action Comics number one went, he's stopped capital punishment and domestic violence and corrupt lobbyists right there in action, number one.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think so.
Speaker B:So anyway, you know where.
Speaker A:What do you.
Speaker B:What do you guys think?
Speaker B:What do you see?
Speaker B:I went in expecting to.
Speaker B:I guess I saw a few headlines like, okay, we'll go in and see.
Speaker B:And I came out going, nope, that was Superman.
Speaker B:That was Superman as he's been in the comics, portrayed the way he's portrayed.
Speaker B:And if you feel like this is, like, really hitting home your political leanings or making you feel uncomfortable, then I think you gotta do some soul searching, in my humble opinion.
Speaker B:And that.
Speaker B:So you guys go for it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:For me, the term woke, unfortunately, has been used and abused in a way that doesn't make sense anymore.
Speaker C:How I define the word woke is the idea of having characters who are changed in ways or are introduced in ways that are antithetical to their actual background appearance whatsoever for the sake of diversity, rather than it serving a role in the plot.
Speaker C:Like, for instance, I would say in a very minor nitpick, Perry White not being white is an example of being woke for the sake of having a racial lift and having diversity among the cast.
Speaker C:Because nowhere in the film is that ever relevant that he is African American then.
Speaker C:But for the most part, no, I. I don't get it.
Speaker C:Accusations.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's the word woke that has become the media word woke.
Speaker C:And that is anything that changes anything and makes me feel bad is.
Speaker C:Is woke.
Speaker C:That's not how I would define the word.
Speaker C:So it's done for clicks.
Speaker C:It's done to get people upset and angry and rallying against things that they don't like.
Speaker B:And that's like triggering like.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:And the.
Speaker B:And the.
Speaker B:And the word in itself is been appropriated by.
Speaker B:By identity politics and people who want to capitalize on polarization and fear when the beginning of it is used in civil rights movement by black people who are saying, wake up to the reality around you of what's really happening.
Speaker B:You need to wake up.
Speaker B:There's an Advent theme in our liturgical calendar of the prophet saying, wake up.
Speaker B:Wake up to the reality around you so that you can pay attention to what's really happening.
Speaker B:And so that's kind of the baselined up.
Speaker B:And so if this movie helps people shake them out of complacency or think deeper or to wake up a little bit of.
Speaker B:Of things around us, then, man, it's.
Speaker B:That's just bonus for me.
Speaker B:Yes, a fun comic book movie, but if it's helping people go deeper into thinking about realities of what's around them and waking up a Little bit.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:Yeah, let's, let's, let's make it.
Speaker B:Let's be woke.
Speaker B:Yeah, sorry.
Speaker B:Go for it.
Speaker B:Kevin.
Speaker A:I was fired up this week.
Speaker B:I just want to let you.
Speaker B:I got a little bit more political on social media this week.
Speaker B:I got fired up by, by Superman stuff.
Speaker A:Oh, I'm with you.
Speaker A:I mean, I mean, I would say to anyone.
Speaker A:Does anyone who says, like, oh, keep politics out of comics and movies.
Speaker A:To my, my.
Speaker A: s Superman was created in the: Speaker A:And he is, you know, from another world and, and he stands up against oppression and he fights a billionaire.
Speaker A:And you know, in this movie, you know, like the conflict for Barabia and Jaranpur, there are definite parallels between that and Israel and Gaza.
Speaker A:There's also.
Speaker A:I don't think it's subtle that the minister of.
Speaker A:Or the president of Barabia, one point you see in his office, him on a horse there.
Speaker A:I don't think at all that that's.
Speaker A:I think that's very much a non.
Speaker A:Subtle poke at put.
Speaker A:So there's definitely, you know, parallels here.
Speaker A:But I think, you know, Superman has always had ideals that represent, you know, political themes and algorithms that, you know, you can.
Speaker A:It doesn't mean it's, you know, hammering it down your throat.
Speaker A:It just means that, you know, this is a character who clearly stands for something and is the voice of the oppressed and is the voice of people and freedom and liberty.
Speaker A:And that's always been a tenet of the character and this movie recognizes that.
Speaker B:And the source material always with the decades and the challenges of war and racism and the politics of the day, what people wrestling with in society.
Speaker B:Superman's address those things, whether it's 9, 11 or whether it's civil rights or whether it's kids in the classroom dealing with bullies.
Speaker B:Like all those things have been a part of comics to, to identify and to help and lift up and show a different kind of way.
Speaker B:And what I, what I kind of think about this movie going deeper is like in terms of what do you do with power and privilege?
Speaker B:Well, you have on one side Lex who.
Speaker B:Who is Lex Luthor?
Speaker B:Who.
Speaker B:What is he doing with his power and privilege and what was, you know, know.
Speaker B:And then, and then Clark and Superman.
Speaker B:What is he doing with his power and prelim.
Speaker B:What makes a hero and what makes a villain that.
Speaker B:That Is clearly you can kind of see what's unfolding on.
Speaker B:On the screen.
Speaker B:Two different idolat kind of ideologies, but also philosophies, but also worldviews and how you see the other.
Speaker B:And how do you see your family and your friends?
Speaker B:What are you scared of?
Speaker B:What do you do with your power and privilege?
Speaker B:Whether it's big or little, whether you're a Superman.
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:What makes Superman super is not his, is him identifying from the bottom up and those who are on the ground level and the human and the oppressed and those who are scared or in the midst of war.
Speaker B:So that's what makes him super.
Speaker B:Not necessarily.
Speaker B:They can shoot laser out of his eyes or can call his super dog from miles away.
Speaker B:And I think that is why Superman endures, and that's why these movies are still being made.
Speaker B:And that's why these comic books are still being made for kids and adults.
Speaker B:Because those questions are lifelong human condition questions that.
Speaker B:That we all face as humans in this world.
Speaker B:Sorry to get a little preacher.
Speaker C:If anyone's saying, why would this is work for Superman to interfere in the affairs of a foreign country?
Speaker C: , issue number two in: Speaker C:From the very beginning, he has done this.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:It's not very subtle.
Speaker C:Politics and comics have always been intertwined.
Speaker C:Just because it offends you.
Speaker C:Some of those things.
Speaker C:And some of these things do offend me.
Speaker C:Not in this movie, but sometimes in comics, I get offended by things that are done in the poor way or representing something very poorly.
Speaker C:Yeah, sure.
Speaker C:That's a discussion for another time.
Speaker C:But you can't argue that comics have never been political.
Speaker C:Captain America number one has him punching Hitler in the face before we are in the war with Nazi Germany.
Speaker C:Germany.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:That's a political statement being made.
Speaker C:It just irks me.
Speaker C:It's people repeating things because they've never actually delved into.
Speaker C:Or if they have read these things, they don't get it because they never actually sat with the material.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:There's a lot more going on than just punching and superheroes flying.
Speaker A:There's a lot of themes that have always been embedded in the pages of DC and Marvel.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:And so well on that.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:You know, like thinking about why Superman endures and what makes a hero a hero.
Speaker A:You know, what are some of your takeaways, like from his portrayal in this movie and, you know, and then thinking about that arc too, of him coming into his identity and wrestling with his heritage.
Speaker A:But also, you Know what he stands for, what he represents.
Speaker C:In the fight scenes we're talking about in these films.
Speaker C:It's very noticeable compared to another film where this Superman takes the time to make sure other people are okay.
Speaker C:And if they can't do anything to help themselves, he helps them get out of the way.
Speaker C:I mean, sure.
Speaker B:Even squirrels.
Speaker B:Even squirrels.
Speaker C:Because Superman does respect and love all life, and that's a huge part of his shtick.
Speaker C:As someone who grew up on a farm, he understood the value of life, of what these animals have.
Speaker C:And as well, of course, he knows the value of human life because of how he was raised by man.
Speaker C:Pakistan camp.
Speaker C:So that's him.
Speaker C:And then getting him, inspiring him, the Justice Gang, to be more heroic.
Speaker C:They're already heroes, but him, inspiring him to be even more heroic, stepping out beyond their comfort zone to go and protect people a world away.
Speaker C:That's what a hero does.
Speaker C:And that's why I love this Superman.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:What do you guys think of the different kind of s on his chest?
Speaker B:Is it growing on you?
Speaker B:I mean, it's not classic, but I.
Speaker A:Mean, mean, it's one of those things like.
Speaker A:It's one of those things like that.
Speaker A:You have to.
Speaker A:With as many Batman and Superman movies as there are, they have to add their own touch to the logo there.
Speaker A:And I think this one works really well.
Speaker A:I. I love the suit here.
Speaker B:All right, Joshua, you hear that?
Speaker B: e need a different new hipper: Speaker B:So I want to see.
Speaker B:I want to see that on some merch soon.
Speaker B:That's what I said.
Speaker B:But I will say, I was out at a restaurant last night and I had my SG Superman logo on my shirt, and someone asked me what that was, and I said, hey, hey, is that a podcast called Systemic Ecology?
Speaker B:He's like, yeah, I don't really geek out on stuff.
Speaker B:It's like, no, everybody geeks out on something.
Speaker B:Tell me, tell me.
Speaker B:Tell me what you geek out on.
Speaker B:He was like, like, like biology.
Speaker B:I was like, dude, of course.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, of course.
Speaker B:So anyway, like, I. I was a little systematic ecologist evangelist yesterday, sharing about.
Speaker B:And you can, too.
Speaker A:If he's a scientist, then Andy Walsh right here.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Come on, dude.
Speaker B:Don't keep it on stuff.
Speaker B:Yeah, come on.
Speaker B:Yeah, she's.
Speaker B:You do.
Speaker B:Stop it.
Speaker B:Everybody geeks out on something.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, I think it's clear, you know, we really love this movie.
Speaker A:We'll definitely be seeing it again and probably talking about it for a Long time and very excited for the DC universe going forward.
Speaker A:I get, you know, before we rate and review, I.
Speaker A:My question is if there's one.
Speaker A:Obviously, James Gunn has announced a good number of projects here.
Speaker A:Probably not all will probably come to fruition.
Speaker A:I know that's his overall plan, but we'll see kind of what happens.
Speaker A:Supergirl is definitely happening.
Speaker A:That is an adaptation of the Woman of Tomorrow comic.
Speaker A:So that is already in post production.
Speaker A:I cannot wait for that.
Speaker A:But if there was one project now, after seeing this movie that you really want going forward, I'll say mine.
Speaker A:But whether it could be.
Speaker A:It could be characters from this movie or, you know, something else in dc, what's your kind of dream one?
Speaker A:Mine, I mean, I saw something that he's already toying with it.
Speaker C:It.
Speaker A:But give me a Mr.
Speaker A:Terrific TV show here, because that is the perfect one to, you know, expand on the character, show us who really Michael Holt is.
Speaker A:And I just want to see War E. Get that.
Speaker A:Gee.
Speaker A:So I'm.
Speaker A:I think you could do so much there with, like, sci fi, with thriller.
Speaker A:Um, there's so much potential there.
Speaker A:Um, so that.
Speaker A:That would be mine.
Speaker A:But what.
Speaker A:Well, do you have, like, a dream DC bike?
Speaker A:It doesn't have to.
Speaker A:Whether James Gunn directs it or not.
Speaker A:Like, just in this universe.
Speaker B:Well, I'm curious, like, Ultra man being pushed into the Black hole pocket universe, if he's gonna discover Darkseid or other heroes out there in an alternate timeline that come back and kind of a darker universe that they have to battle.
Speaker B:Because that's the original Ultraman.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Like a different timeline where the Justice League.
Speaker B:I think, yeah.
Speaker B:Earth 3 is like, the Justice League are villains.
Speaker B:And so Lex Luthor's the good guy and that.
Speaker B:Which is kind of a cool twist on things.
Speaker B:But I will say, like, I don't know why, like, when he said, oh, it's a Foster situation with Crypto, know that's going to be Supergirl coming.
Speaker B:And I know that graphic novel is one of my favorite ones.
Speaker B:Supergirl Woman Tomorrow, where she goes to a red planet so she can get drunk for her 21st birthday and she has her dog with her.
Speaker B:Is a whole premise of that graphic novel.
Speaker B:That why I didn't see that coming at the end, I was like, that's the cameo I wanted.
Speaker B:I needed.
Speaker B:Oh, yes.
Speaker B:I can't wait for that movie.
Speaker B:So, yeah, that's the one.
Speaker B:Highly recommend read Supergirl, Woman of Tomorrow in preparation for that movie.
Speaker B:And if it's in post production, man, I cannot wait.
Speaker A:I love her.
Speaker B:As an actress, director.
Speaker B:I love that dog.
Speaker B:I'm gonna get more creepo.
Speaker B:Are you kidding me?
Speaker B:I am.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Let's do it.
Speaker A:And also the director is the guy who did the Cruella Deville movie, which I think is one of the best like Disney live action movie they like.
Speaker A:I know what asked for, but it was fantastic.
Speaker A:Like, I mean, I like, I thought that movie's great.
Speaker A:Emma Thompson, but yeah.
Speaker A:Christian, what about you?
Speaker A:What's kind of your.
Speaker A:You have like a dream DC project now.
Speaker A:If you can think.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:If we're not going to get at least Mr.
Speaker C:Terrific Spin off, maybe a Justice Gang one would be fun.
Speaker C:Have all that.
Speaker C:I know they're doing a lanterns, which I think, I think it's Hal Jordan and John Stewart.
Speaker C:I'd have to look it up again.
Speaker A:Talent.
Speaker A:John is the focus.
Speaker A:But Guy, they said guy is going to show up in it.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:But Dark Horse pick.
Speaker C:I'm going to pick the rogues, Flash's rogues.
Speaker C:And if they can, he can do what he does for Suicide Squad with them.
Speaker C:That'd be perfect.
Speaker C:Like have them do a heist.
Speaker C:It could be for the Flash, could be for another hero they're trying to do.
Speaker C:Like, I'd love to see what he could do with them.
Speaker A:I've got my Flash shirt on and I 100 endorse that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I also, you know, just based on the oh, swap thing.
Speaker A:So I leave out there.
Speaker A:Like that was one they did.
Speaker A:Like, I mean again, I think when they.
Speaker A:He did.
Speaker A:James Gunn made that, you know, phase one of Gods and monsters announcement a couple years ago for like a 10 year plan.
Speaker A:That was one of the projects.
Speaker A:He announced that he had James Bangold attached to it.
Speaker A:Now granted, some of these, like, we don't know if and when they'll happen, but I would love for that.
Speaker A:That would be amazing.
Speaker A:I also based on, you know, the whole metahumans have been on Earth for 300 years.
Speaker A:You know, I would love to see an origin kind of like that.
Speaker A:Whether that involves the new gods, whether that involves the mascara, who knows?
Speaker A:Yes, exactly.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:I mean there's a Vandal Savage would be.
Speaker A:Oh, that would be so cool.
Speaker A:Oh, there's something.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm just so excited.
Speaker A:Like, I mean, I know there's a lot of comic movies now, but I think this, this is a great start to this universe.
Speaker A:And if they do it right and just, you know, focus on good stories here, there's a lot of potential going forward.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, guys, wrapping up here, if you had to give a rating.
Speaker A:I know it's really hard giving, like, a number here, but if you had to pay, like, on a scale from 1 to 10, 10, what would you give this movie?
Speaker A:I. I think, for me, I would give it a solid nine.
Speaker A:I mean, I think in terms of.
Speaker A:I mean, enjoyment level, it's off the charts.
Speaker A:Yes, I do have knitbacks and picks and stuff, but, like, it's just.
Speaker A:This is the Superman I wanted to see on screen for the longest time.
Speaker A:This is the DC Universe I wanted to see.
Speaker A:But not just that.
Speaker A:I just think it's a good movie.
Speaker A:And I will be seeing people later in the week who are not nearly as versed in this stuff as I am.
Speaker A:And I'm really curious because I get their perspectives on it, too.
Speaker A:Because I want to know, from just a.
Speaker A:A average moviegoer, you know, what is your thoughts on this movie as a whole?
Speaker A:I'll be really curious to get their perspective.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think I'm in an 8.
Speaker C:5.
Speaker C:Maybe a 9, depending on how I feel.
Speaker C:I think it depends on the whole reveal of his parents, whether it's actually true or not.
Speaker C:If it's actually true, a 5.
Speaker C:If it's manufactured, a 9.
Speaker C:Because I think that does kind of taint the legacy a little bit of the Kryptonian side of things that.
Speaker C:Making him more like Saiyans and Viltrumites versus, you know, you know, his actual, you know, parents who loved him and wanted the best for their world, but they couldn't get what they did, so they had to send him somewhere else.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Yeah, I thought the same thing.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, we're doing a little invincible kind of thing.
Speaker B:Yeah, I. I'm.
Speaker B:I'm gonna go.
Speaker B:I'm gonna go solid nine.
Speaker B:And then because of crypto, I'm going to 9.4.
Speaker B:Yeah, he bumps it.
Speaker A:Well, did you know, too, that James Gunn's own dog likes being fluid?
Speaker A:Similar.
Speaker B:I did, and I saw that clip of, like, his dog and.
Speaker B:And him slamming him.
Speaker B:His dog is, like, being really, like, out of control and destroyed everything.
Speaker B:They just patterned everything after him.
Speaker B:And it makes me.
Speaker B:Makes me very happy.
Speaker C:You know, I do have some YouTube.
Speaker B:Videos out there of Will and Woody in the wild, me and my dog.
Speaker B:So if you want to know what my dog looks like and some of the things just, you know, look on YouTube, I think Woody and Will break dancing together is where I peaked and stopped.
Speaker B:So you can find that somewhere.
Speaker B:If you want to DM me, I'll suit you.
Speaker A:That video.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker A:And again, hit that, like, button.
Speaker A:Well, I like.
Speaker A:Maybe you can have your dog in the, in the video of you, like in Superman underwear and doing all kinds of things.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:James.
Speaker B:James says he squirrels used to tease my job.
Speaker B:I hate squirrels.
Speaker B:Well, so does crypto because he.
Speaker B:That was what was being used in the movie when Lex was trying to get him.
Speaker B:He was chasing squirrels.
Speaker B:Superman saves squirrels.
Speaker B:Crypto wants to eat them.
Speaker B:So there you go.
Speaker B:James is on the crypto side.
Speaker A:Yes, Crypto is.
Speaker A:Oh, I think it'll be.
Speaker A:People will be singing his praises for a long time.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Awesome.
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