Ironheart and Jurassic World: A Deep Dive into New IPs

Joshuua Noel: 00:01:15

Is science for everyone or just for those who can afford its benefits? Well, today we're going to be discussing that theme and many more that are shared actually between the ips. Ironheart in Jurassic World Rebirth.

This is one of our what's News episodes. We're talking about new things in our fandoms.

With the Iron Bird Heart TV series and the Jurassic World Rebirth film being just released, we felt like we had to talk about it. So we're here. I am Joshua Knoll here with TJ Tiberius on Blackwell. Of course, as always, we're ready. Since we're live, we would love any shout outs.

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Tj, how are you doing?

TJ Blackwell: 00:02:07

I'm doing great, thank you.

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TJ Blackwell: 00:02:51

Yeah, it's a hard bar to clear.

Joshuua Noel: 00:02:53

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:02:54

Yeah, he commented so hard that he just had to start being on the podcast.

TJ Blackwell: 00:02:58

Yeah, I was not involved when this started.

Joshuua Noel: 00:03:00

Yeah, this is actually just still him commenting. Yeah, his comment just lasted this long.

TJ Blackwell: 00:03:05

Yeah, I really like long form content.

Joshuua Noel: 00:03:09

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The infamous Lightning round that we do here for our what's News episodes. So, tj, start us off. Other than our two main topics, what's new that. That you think deserves a quick shout out?

TJ Blackwell: 00:03:56

Well, it's not out yet, but Levi's new album is coming up. It's a big deal. That's huge.

Joshuua Noel: 00:04:00

I don't know who that is.

TJ Blackwell: 00:04:01

Yeah, I've been. I've kind of stepped back from the. The cultural zeitgeist for the moment to focus on more of bad old habits.

Joshuua Noel: 00:04:08

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:04:09

So Valorant has a new map out.

Joshuua Noel: 00:04:10

It's called the Name of the Game.

TJ Blackwell: 00:04:14

It's pretty cool. Corrode. It's interesting. I can't wait to see how the meta develops. And, you know, I've tried to look at the game from a lot of.

A lot more anthropological point of view because it really is interesting, you know, see all how all these people interact with each other over the course of 20, 25 rounds. Yeah, it's pretty interesting. And if anyone's interested in doing like a postdoc anthropological project, reach out to me. I want to be involved.

Pretty cool.

Joshuua Noel: 00:04:41

Yeah. Anything else?

TJ Blackwell: 00:04:43

What else is new? Been playing a game called Witchfire a lot recently. It's cool. It's pretty innovative. FPS, roguelike souls.

Like, it's, you know, it's a lot of buzzwords, but it's really a super fun experience. It's still in early access, so I can't wait to see what the full build of the game looks like and when that releases.

Joshuua Noel: 00:05:02

Yeah, cool.

Joshuua Noel: 00:05:04

Yeah, I. For myself. There's a new Captain America comic. Chip Zdarsky has started his run finally.

Not my favorite so far, but it's Captain America, so it's my favorite current run because it's the current run that's featuring Captain America. I mean, I mean, it's really low bar to hit. You don't. You write the comic. You include Captain America. You pretty much.

Joshuua Noel: 00:05:27

You hit it.

Joshuua Noel: 00:05:27

You know, just like, you know, Jurassic movies. My bar pretty much is. Was their dinosaurs. And we're gonna talk about that.

Joshuua Noel: 00:05:34

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:05:34

Spoiler. There were dinosaurs in the movie.

TJ Blackwell: 00:05:37

There was at least one.

Joshuua Noel: 00:05:38

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:05:40

See, outside of that, Hunger in the Dusk is finally back. So we're getting some more new comics there. I think they wrapped up Sonic versus DC. Those comics. I know. I've been reading Mr. Fan, Mr. Fantastic, Mr.

Terrific comics, as well as some of the crypto comics they're releasing for the summer of Superman with dc. Although I haven't seen the movie, so that might make me a loser. I don't know. Probably. Let's see what else? Oh, Will. Will love this.

They're still releasing the Kingdom Hearts 3 manga, so I've been following that. So I guess that counts as new since they're still releasing it. Although Kingdom Hearts 3 is not new, just the manga is.

And other fun news thing for me specifically, so that Will can take another drink. They did have. This is. This is gonna be really weird. They did have like. So Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories.

The whole game is based around a card system. They released the playing cards at one point and then stopped actually producing them. So you couldn't just buy them from the source.

You get them from like ebay or something. News is this year they're gonna be releasing them again. So I can actually get my own set of playing cards from Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories.

And I'm really thinking about making this wall. Instead of displaying my diplomas and looking like a smart person. I think I'm just gonna have a Kingdom Hearts wall and be true to myself, you know?

Joshuua Noel: 00:06:54

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:06:54

That's also something I've been thinking about lately is I should just start being Kingdom Hearts true to myself.

Joshuua Noel: 00:06:58

Oh, yeah. What would that look like, tj?

Joshuua Noel: 00:07:02

I don't know.

Joshuua Noel: 00:07:03

Just do it. Exactly what you're doing already.

Joshuua Noel: 00:07:06

Yeah. Fun.

Joshuua Noel: 00:07:08

Oh, well, the other one. I guess we'll talk about more in the thing too. But you know, Jurassic World Evolution 3 is coming out soon. That's new. I'm excited for that.

You're probably not gonna get it when it releases, but. No, you got the second one now. I'm gonna play it until the third one goes on sale.

Joshuua Noel: 00:07:22

Oh, yeah, yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:07:24

There's a good few years of content in there anyway, so.

Joshuua Noel: 00:07:27

Yeah, it's perfect. Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:07:28

So anything else new? Enlightening for you?

TJ Blackwell: 00:07:32

Not for me.

Joshuua Noel: 00:07:33

Yeah, I think I'm good too. All right.

Joshuua Noel: 00:07:35

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:07:35

But check back Comic book catch up manga mustard. We'll probably have more new stuff over there at some point if you want more lightning or just stuff.

But it's time to talk Ironheart in Jurassic World Rebirth. We're going to start with Ironheart.

We're going to go over both topics probably pretty quick because they have a lot of shared themes that I want to dig in a little bit deeper in. We're going to brush do a broad strokes now. We'll get a little bit more in detail with the themes a little bit later on here.

So, dj, let's start with Ironheart. I'm actually really curious. What is your history with this property or character? Do you know, did you know who riri Williams was out before?

Like, the Black Panther, Wakanda, or.

Joshuua Noel: 00:08:18

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:08:19

So, like, I heard about riri Williams. Just because, like, being in the scene, people want to talk, you know, mad trash about whatever is new.

So I saw some of that when she was introduced or reintroduced, I should say, in the comics around the time. But other than that, no, like, not before, you know, they decided to bring riri Williams into the mcu.

Joshuua Noel: 00:08:42

Yeah, I mean, yeah, I heard of her. I think she was on some of the, like, the New Avengers team stuff.

But, like, I never cared because in my mind, I'm like, this is someone supposed to be like, Iron Man. I don't like Iron Man. Why do I need a new Iron Man? I didn't. That was the answer. I didn't need a new Ironman.

Joshuua Noel: 00:08:56

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:08:57

I didn't even want the old Iron Man. But I actually.

After seeing some of the show, I actually did go back and read some of the Bendis run, where I think he was the first one to introduce this character, Ironheart. I despise her character in the comics. It's one of those where, like, in the comic, she was just too good. It was like, oh, yeah, there's.

This is a character with no flaws.

Because when we do diversity, obviously the only way to show diversity is for whatever the diverse character is to be completely flawless so that we know that they're cool too. Mm. Which actually turns out just makes a bad character. Regardless of anything, doesn't matter. Ethnicity, sex, any of that stuff.

Joshuua Noel: 00:09:36

If you.

Joshuua Noel: 00:09:36

If you make a flawless character, they will be boring.

Joshuua Noel: 00:09:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:09:41

Which I kind of feel like the show overcorrected on that. Maybe she's extremely flawed. I actually feel like the comic book in the show, riri Williams are vastly different characters.

They're just not the same. Other than the name, that's pretty much it.

Joshuua Noel: 00:09:57

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:09:57

I feel like they've done a much better job with her outside of the comic book.

Joshuua Noel: 00:10:01

I think so too.

TJ Blackwell: 00:10:02

Actually.

Joshuua Noel: 00:10:02

I prefer the show version. Even though she kind of sucks. A sucky character is way more interesting than a flawless character.

Joshuua Noel: 00:10:09

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:10:09

And it's like, even before then, like, in Black Panther, she wasn't super interesting.

Joshuua Noel: 00:10:15

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:10:15

I just didn't care for that movie. That was my problem.

TJ Blackwell: 00:10:18

She was a lot more interesting than she Was in the comic book.

Joshuua Noel: 00:10:21

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:10:22

Again, low bar. Which is funny because I actually do like Bendis.

Joshuua Noel: 00:10:25

No.

Joshuua Noel: 00:10:26

Never care too much about this particular character, even in Wakanda Forever. I think the problem was I didn't care too much for the movie at all. So none of the characters stood out to me.

I was very reluctant to watch that film, mostly because of the female lead who's going to be the new Black Panther. My brain's blanking on the actress name.

But that actor's supposed to be like, you know, the character is supposed to be like the super science person. And the actor was very much against the COVID vaccines. And I was just like, I don't know if I want to support this human.

Actually, I did, but I was reluctant to, you know.

TJ Blackwell: 00:10:59

Yeah, no, I think Wakanda Forever is pretty good. I think Namor was awesome.

Joshuua Noel: 00:11:04

Namor was cool. I do love that.

Joshuua Noel: 00:11:06

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:11:06

Also I think I like the whole plot with that, actually. It was all pretty.

Joshuua Noel: 00:11:10

Pretty great. Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:11:12

All right.

So as far as the ironheart television series, TJ, if you had to rate it 0 to 10, the part that you actually watch, I don't know if you watched all of it or just the first episode or what, but where you put.

TJ Blackwell: 00:11:24

I did just watch the first episode. That was very insightful. I just. I had other things to watch.

Joshuua Noel: 00:11:30

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:11:30

You know, it didn't like episode one. How would you rate that one?

TJ Blackwell: 00:11:33

Probably honest.

Joshuua Noel: 00:11:34

Probably like eight.

TJ Blackwell: 00:11:35

Like, it was pretty good.

Joshuua Noel: 00:11:36

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:11:37

It just wasn't for me.

Joshuua Noel: 00:11:39

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:11:39

And I like how they were setting her up. It felt very. It felt very Atlanta or Bird. Like in that. That, like modern premier TV kind of way.

Like, you know, hip hop soundtrack, very pop cultural.

Joshuua Noel: 00:11:55

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:11:55

Soundtrack was on point.

Joshuua Noel: 00:11:57

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:11:57

It's not something that I'm like, tired of. Just not something that I was. Been in the mood for.

Joshuua Noel: 00:12:02

Gotcha. I think part of what helps me, I went in with extremely low expectations because I didn't care that much for Wakanda Forever.

I don't really care that much for Riri Williams. The last MCU show I remembered was Agatha, which I didn't even finish. So my expectations were pretty low coming into this, and they.

They far exceeded that extremely low bar. But yeah. Yeah, going in. I think if I didn't. If I didn't have any spoilers, this is one of those shows I might not have finished.

I think I have the same thing with you. Like that first episode, maybe even the first two episodes, I was like, okay. I mean, it was really good. Well done.

I'm never into, like, the super tech heroes anyway. It's not even about, like, yes, I don't like Tony Stark as a person. But also, even outside of that, tech heroes just don't interest me the same way.

But since I knew that the series and we are going to spoil it for you guys watching. Warning. Here you go. I knew ahead of time Mephisto was going to be revealed, and I knew it involved someone being brought back from the dead.

So when I watched it, I was like, I'm not super interested in this, but I want to know how this gets to that, you know? And I was in it for that ride, and it was done so well.

I actually think I never would have put the iron characters with Mephisto personally, like, if I was to just write a storyline.

But thinking back on it, it just makes so much sense, because so much of, like, Tony Stark and who he was is the embodiment of utilitarianism, which, you guys know, is, like, a philosophy that I despise with a passion of, like, whatever it takes to, you know, see people saved, to do the right thing. It doesn't matter how we get there, as long as we get there. That's just his whole motto.

And putting that, juxtaposing that with Mephisto, who's like, yeah, whatever it takes to make the deal. If I find someone who's really willing to take the bait, yeah, hey, I'm going to help you save the world, dude. Yeah, just. Just come with me.

And it's like, literally making the deal with the devil, and it's like, yeah, man. And even some of the stuff that's said in the last episode makes me wonder, did Tony Stark make a deal with them? He might have.

Joshuua Noel: 00:14:04

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:14:04

It's pretty possible, actually.

TJ Blackwell: 00:14:05

It's a. It's a crazy way to bring Mephisto in.

Joshuua Noel: 00:14:08

It's sick, though.

TJ Blackwell: 00:14:09

Which, you know, is probably why they did it, because they. They knew, like, if we, like, if this is just about riri becoming Ironheart, like, it'll. It'll get a few million watchers because we're Marvel.

But if we put Mephisto in there, we'll get some real views. Because they'll have to come see this show to understand what we're gonna do with Mephisto.

Joshuua Noel: 00:14:31

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:14:32

And that was like, I'm gonna talk about that a little bit more here. Cause I don't think this is as much part of the Jurassic World film stuff, but the utilitarian thing, I just.

I loved how, well their commentary on that in this show does, which there's a few different components to it. That's interesting. One is, of course, and this is something that we will touch on more later.

But a lot of times right now, a lot of people's complaints, who are especially more conservative people complain that everything has to be woke. Now you're just ginger swapping or this swap, you know, race swapping, whatever with the characters. But there's an actual point to it.

Riri is trying to prove something.

You know, she was treated a certain way because of who she is, and she's trying to prove she can be better than Tony Stark, she can make a better suit just because she can. And that's one of those where, like, her motivation depends on that. So it's an integral part of the story, her race, her upbringing, all that.

So I actually really appreciated that. And what I love that they didn't do is make it about race. You know, it is sort of.

But like, it's actually just about like, hey, she didn't have money. Which I think is like where the real disparity lies. It is hard to go from lower class to upper class right now in America.

And if you want to do the things that Tony Stark does, you can't be lower class. Like, that's just not a thing.

Joshuua Noel: 00:15:44

No.

TJ Blackwell: 00:15:44

And I do feel like it is discrediting. You know, the series starts with riri being like, yeah, I need more money. Do you think Tony Stark would be Iron man without money? Yes. Yes, I do.

I do think he would be Iron man without the money. He built his first suit in a.

Joshuua Noel: 00:15:59

Cave, but the only way he was able to build his fursuit in the cave is because he had lots of money and developed incredible weapons and that those people were able to bring him the weapons that he already purchased and developed. So if he didn't have money, that still wouldn't have happened.

TJ Blackwell: 00:16:11

But if someone else had developed the weapons, he still would have been able.

Joshuua Noel: 00:16:14

To do it if he was able to get his hands on it, which, again, I don't think he would have.

TJ Blackwell: 00:16:17

Well, unless he had captured him, put him in a cave and said, build us some weapons.

Joshuua Noel: 00:16:21

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:16:22

And the only reason they did that.

TJ Blackwell: 00:16:23

They can't bring me weapons is because.

Joshuua Noel: 00:16:24

He was famous, because he was rich. I still think it all goes back to him having money. Like, I don't think it happens if.

TJ Blackwell: 00:16:29

He doesn't have money, but he could have done it without the money if.

Joshuua Noel: 00:16:32

He was put in the right situation, which is same thing's true with, with riri. I feel like, she could do it without. In fact, she does do without the money, but it's just one of those. Yeah, that.

That was another weird thing, actually. That is, like, the thing that I think is most problematic. So in the beginning, she's at, like, mit. She's all these things, and I. I can.

I can give them that. Even mit, the kind of suits that Tony was building at the end of his career. Yeah, MIT don't have that kind of money.

You don't get nanotech with MIT money. No, but, yeah, they have money, but not that kind of money. I give them that.

But the fact that, like, it goes from that being, like, a huge point, and then at the end, the coolest suit she builds is, like, partially due to magic. So I got to give him that. But also, she just builded of parts from an old car.

TJ Blackwell: 00:17:17

I'm like, dude, which is. Which is sick.

Joshuua Noel: 00:17:20

Yeah, it's sick. But I'm like, I feel like you could have done that at mit, you know? Yeah, they could have bought you a car, probably.

TJ Blackwell: 00:17:27

e institute that you needed a: 1969

I think we can do that.

Joshuua Noel: 00:17:47

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:17:48

Yeah, that's funny. But I also. Yeah, the utilitarian thing, I think part of it is that they were just overplaying their hand with that.

Like, they were just trying too hard for it.

Like, I like the message, but I think that's part of what was happening there, is they wanted to show that she would do anything to be able to make her suit. So she's, you know, helping other kids cheat, and then she's willing to go with this bad girl. Like, they're really overemphasizing.

She's willing to do anything to do that. You know, just like Tony Stark was very much, I'll do anything to, you know, achieve my goals.

His goals, I think, were more altruistic than her goals, but it's still that utilitarian mindset. And then to see that clash head on with Mephisto at the end going, are you willing to do anything? I'll give you anything. And it's just like, dang.

Yeah, that's. That's how that story arc should end. Yes.

Joshuua Noel: 00:18:35

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:18:36

But I just feel like they played it Too hard. And that's why they have some that weird MIT and her doing a lot of, honestly, really bad things. She is not a great person.

But that's something else I love all throughout it. I'll do this for Pastor Will. She's shown to be a sinner, innocent. Right. She's doing the absolute worst things, but also is like, am I a good person?

It wants to be good. I also think that's one advantage that it has though.

The actress being pretty young and starting her off as someone who's this non heroic gives you a lot more to grow. It's cool. I'm actually excited to see where they go next.

Joshuua Noel: 00:19:11

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:19:12

And of course, I'm excited for more magic. You have lots of magic characters introduced, including a few that's in Strange Academy.

And they've already said they're going to do a Strange Academy TV show. For those who don't know, that Comic Run was by Scotty Young, one of my all time favorite comic writers. So let's do it. I'm here for that.

Joshuua Noel: 00:19:30

Yeah. Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:20:16

So, yeah, at the end, I'd probably give it an 8, too. That was a long way for me to say I agree with tj.

TJ Blackwell: 00:20:21

Really long.

Joshuua Noel: 00:20:22

Yeah, yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:20:24

But as far as, like, things you're looking forward to in this, like, you know, a lot of stuff revealed with magic. Mephisto. Riri gets a magic tech version of the suit. Like it's both magic and tech. Super cool. Also, just the effects at the end were super cool.

The hood stripped of the hood and is looking for help. You have Obadiah Stein's child introduces Zeke Stein and he still wants revenge for Riri. There's a lot of loose ends here.

DJ from what you know, is there anything that you're like, looking forward to seeing? No, what he means by that is he's looking forward to Strange Academy.

TJ Blackwell: 00:20:55

Also Mephisto in a movie.

Joshuua Noel: 00:20:58

True. He mentions that he has other people he's making deals with. I'm hoping that that's just a. Hey, we're going to get Ghostwriter soon.

That's what I want.

TJ Blackwell: 00:21:05

That would be sick. Mephisto appearing in Blade.

Joshuua Noel: 00:21:08

Yeah, yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:21:10

Actually, Doomsday just ends with Mephisto.

TJ Blackwell: 00:21:14

Realistically, that would be.

Joshuua Noel: 00:21:15

That'd be great.

TJ Blackwell: 00:21:16

Where he's going to show up is in Doomsday.

Joshuua Noel: 00:21:19

That would be awesome. But yeah, it is said. He says in the show he has made of the orbs 100 richest men. He's made a deal with 100 of them, plus three kings and three popes.

And who else? Which makes me think Tony Stark definitely made a deal with him because.

TJ Blackwell: 00:21:39

Yeah, he has to be on that list. Well, he's dead.

Joshuua Noel: 00:21:41

Absolutely.

TJ Blackwell: 00:21:41

He's dead now, so maybe not so.

Joshuua Noel: 00:21:43

Yeah, it's possible. Not. But giving Tony's personality and everything else feel like probably also could explain why doomsday happens.

Joshuua Noel: 00:21:51

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:21:51

Or partially.

TJ Blackwell: 00:21:52

Comics. Tony definitely would have.

Joshuua Noel: 00:21:54

Oh, absolutely. No question.

TJ Blackwell: 00:21:55

Mcu Tony. Maybe not.

Joshuua Noel: 00:21:56

Yeah. Iffy.

Joshuua Noel: 00:21:58

I agree. All right. Since you didn't see it, I feel like there's nothing else to be said about this till we get to some of the other stuff.

You want to talk Jurassic World Rebirth?

TJ Blackwell: 00:22:05

Well, I mean, you could still list your favorites from the. From the series.

Joshuua Noel: 00:22:09

Oh, yeah, man.

Joshuua Noel: 00:22:10

This is Mephisto. Ends up being my favorite. It's just like that last episode. I'm like, mephisto, Yes. I want more of it. And also the actor and everything. Like, it was.

So it's perfect. I just. I can't say enough good things about Mephisto. Favorite scene. I. I'm actually. This is lame.

I'm gonna go with the final fight between Riri and the Hood, mostly because there's two really cool parts of it. One, like, she uses the iron suit's magic abilities and has, like a she hit be down. That's what happened.

Joshuua Noel: 00:22:43

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:22:43

It's video game now. And you see, like, the magic that looked kind of like Doctor Strange plus Electric Blast. That was cool.

She does a fake self destruct move once, and he thinks he's gonna shoot her because she's without the suit, and nope, it was a hologram of her. She just played him. Played him hard. It was great. That whole fight scene was just fantastic. My favorite visual would also be the same thing, so.

Yeah, sometimes. All right, Jurassic World Rebirth. Let's go. All right, my first question, tj, for those who are like me.

And it's like, hey, I want to watch this, but only if there's a dinosaur in it. Was there a dinosaur in it?

TJ Blackwell: 00:23:20

Yes, one Sounds like a great one.

Joshuua Noel: 00:23:23

Sounds amazing.

TJ Blackwell: 00:23:25

Not only were there dinosaurs in it, there were not dinosaurs in it. Like humans, which is to say, like non dinosaurs, and also non humans. And maybe maybe both at the same time in the same character.

Joshuua Noel: 00:23:39

Yeah, there's random mutated things everywhere.

Joshuua Noel: 00:23:43

Yeah. Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:23:44

All right, so I love that. Actually, we watched this together. It was a lot of fun. What's your history with Jurassic franchise? Like, I feel like this is a weird question.

TJ Blackwell: 00:23:56

I've been alive for 26 years, so. Yeah, that's been Jurassic my whole life.

Joshuua Noel: 00:24:03

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:24:03

When did the first Jurassic park movie come out?

TJ Blackwell: 00:24:05

1993.

Joshuua Noel: 00:24:07

Well, I don't remember that first year of my life. So as far back as I remember, this has been a part of my life.

TJ Blackwell: 00:24:14

Yeah, Like, I used to watch Jurassic Park 3 on DVD all the time. Couple times a day. It would just be in there constantly.

Joshuua Noel: 00:24:23

Yeah, I remember being homeschooled in fifth grade and then again in high school. Literally every time this came on, I was like, well, weird. My classes suddenly got pushed back to later. Yeah, stop and watch this now.

TJ Blackwell: 00:24:34

Not how that happens.

Joshuua Noel: 00:24:35

It was. It was weird. So, yeah, completely.

TJ Blackwell: 00:24:38

Completely involved in the series for my entire life.

Joshuua Noel: 00:24:41

Yeah. Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:24:43

Even like for me, actually. For both of us. Sort of. For me, growing up, I would even go to the Jurassic island part of Universal's Island. Sure. That was my.

One of my favorite things to do there. I loved it. You had that cool water ride, little pterodactyl flying things, the music, taking pictures of next to the Jeep. It was awesome.

Joshuua Noel: 00:24:59

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:25:00

Actually once, me, my friend tj and our other friend, the three of us, we were hanging out and a Universal started raining. We discovered like there's like that. That, like. What's it. What's that called? It's not like a maze.

TJ Blackwell: 00:25:14

It's. It's pretty much just a fancy jungle gym. Yeah, but it's called Camp Jurassic Park, I think.

Joshuua Noel: 00:25:20

Yeah. There's like tunnels and rope courses and just water guns and we're like, you know what?

There's literally no one in the park right now because it's thunderstorm and we can't ride anything. We just ran around there like crazy people. And it was awesome.

TJ Blackwell: 00:25:33

It was awesome. It was great. It was really cool. Super fun.

Joshuua Noel: 00:25:35

But yeah, best memories.

TJ Blackwell: 00:25:37

I was a big dinosaur kid growing up. The first chapter book I ever read was about dinosaurs. I read Jurassic park not super long after that. And the movies just were always on somewhere.

So it's just always been there.

Joshuua Noel: 00:25:53

Me and my wife Tiffany, anytime we're shopping and we see something with a dinosaur on it, we're like, hey, should we get that for tj? Literally every time. Not exaggerating.

Even when it's like, happy third birthday, it's got a picture of a dinosaur, I'm like, should I get that for TJ's birthday?

TJ Blackwell: 00:26:05

It's a good birthday card.

Joshuua Noel: 00:26:06

I think it'd be funny.

TJ Blackwell: 00:26:08

That's a good birthday card.

Joshuua Noel: 00:26:09

I think so.

Joshuua Noel: 00:26:10

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:26:10

So anyway, we got a lot of history with this. If you had to just like briefly summarize what happens in the film how would you explain this movie?

Because for me, like, Jurassic World was a trilogy. It ended, and now we have Jurassic World, Rebirth. That's like.

I don't know, is this the fourth Jurassic World movie or is this, like, its own set thing? Or like. Like, how do you.

TJ Blackwell: 00:26:29

I mean, it's called Jurassic World. It's the fourth Jurassic World movie.

Joshuua Noel: 00:26:34

Just weird. The fourth movie of the trilogy.

TJ Blackwell: 00:26:36

Yeah. It's like a new thing.

Because a lot of the problems that people have had with Jurassic World as it's gone on is like, how are the dinosaurs still alive? Our environment's not good for that. And Rebirth tries to answer those questions.

And, of course, they can't do that without turning to the five deaths, the five islands that Hammond originally bought and was like. Well, not originally, but Red Gun to have originally bought and turned into dinosaur islands. And Rebirth comes to answer those questions.

So we find out over the course of the movie that all the dinosaurs that are still alive because they are dying off, because this world is not built for them.

Joshuua Noel: 00:27:10

They.

TJ Blackwell: 00:27:11

They can't breathe enough oxygen to sustain themselves, and it's hard to feed them. And it's bad. It's a bad time to be a dinosaur in today's age.

Because if you're not aware, all the Jurassic World movies just take place in the year that they're released, so.

Joshuua Noel: 00:27:25

Or at least it's pretty convenient, so we don't have to think too hard.

Joshuua Noel: 00:27:28

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:27:28

And then we find out they all live on the equator and most of them are dead now, as in Fallen Kingdom and Rebirth, we find out that. Hey, what's up, Nick?

Joshuua Noel: 00:27:39

Nick Polk. Nick Polk, the most Tolkien scholar I know, says what's up? Also, he loves the film, too, which means we're in good company. Also, we love Nick.

That's all.

Joshuua Noel: 00:27:51

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:27:51

If you're a Tolkien head, go head over to Tolkien pop, check out what he does.

Joshuua Noel: 00:27:55

Yeah, great stuff, for sure. In fact, check it out twice. Make two substack accounts and subscribe twice.

Joshuua Noel: 00:28:00

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:28:00

But the plot for us, we are going from finding that out initially, and then we find out that Big Pharma has their hands in the needles. Right. Thank you.

And you get to the point where we get Scarlett Johansson leading a team to collect DNA samples from these, the driving forces, these three dinosaurs with the biggest hearts, which is kind of cute. Not necessarily true.

Joshuua Noel: 00:28:25

Just because they're cute. Cute little scientists.

Joshuua Noel: 00:28:29

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:28:30

And they take their, you know, museum commissioner out with them because he knows the most about dinosaurs, and they don't bring back any old guests. Like, they did in the first three Jurassic World movies, they're like, whoa. In Dominion, they're like, let's get everybody back. Rebirth.

It's all new, baby. All new. And Scarlett Johansson is our lead, and she does a phenomenal job. But we follow their actions through.

This island was called Los Los Muertos or something. Like, I don't. Isla. Islay.

Joshuua Noel: 00:29:02

Bad.

TJ Blackwell: 00:29:03

Bad island.

Joshuua Noel: 00:29:05

Isle of Bad island.

TJ Blackwell: 00:29:06

Bad Island. And we find out that this is the real experimenting island.

So we watch them try and survive their escapade through the real scary island, which has mutant dinosaurs on it. This is where they kept all the ones that were too unfit for any of the parks.

Joshuua Noel: 00:29:20

Yeah, that didn't. Yeah, the genetic experiments that didn't work out.

I think my favorite part were when all the scary dinosaurs got together and saying, we are not just a misfit. It was great.

Joshuua Noel: 00:29:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:29:32

So here on our island of misfit dinos, we just go through that. And on their way to the island, they take down the mosasaur, get its. Get its blood sample, and also rescue our little side family.

Joshuua Noel: 00:29:46

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:29:46

And they're involved.

Joshuua Noel: 00:29:47

I. I really feel like the thing that aggravated me the most about the responses to this film. There was a lot of things that aggravated me about the response. But the thing that aggravated me the most were how many people complained.

That was like, oh, there was this other family. And it was like two different stories and it just didn't make sense. And I'm like, did they just not watch the film?

Like, that's what killed me is I'm like, hey, the family was with the crew before they got to the island.

Joshuua Noel: 00:30:11

B.

Joshuua Noel: 00:30:11

They're actually kind of the. The entire point. Like. Like, because the whole thing was like, it went from. It's Jurassic World. It's about this whole worldwide.

And this is like one of my soapboxes. How many movies have the world at stake all the time? Even I love Supernatural. The television series didn't even bother me with that.

It's like, oh, all of your reality's at stake. The demons are gonna take over or, you know, this. And like, everything has to be like, oh, literally hell's breaking loose.

Or Marvel has to have like, literally the whole planets at stake. And I'm like, man, I miss like, friendly neighborhood Spider man being about saving his friendly neighborhood, you know, just Queens.

TJ Blackwell: 00:30:46

Just Queens is in danger.

Joshuua Noel: 00:30:47

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:30:48

And that's like what's really cool for me in this is like, hey, the main story plot seems to be, oh, hey, we're gonna do this experiment. We're gonna figure out this drug, and it's about saving the world and prolonging people's life. And it's like this big picture thing.

And at the end, you see.

Joshuua Noel: 00:31:03

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:31:03

Actually, it's just about ordinary people just getting what they need. And without that family, I just don't feel like you have that perspective. And I love that they included that.

Joshuua Noel: 00:31:12

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:31:13

And we do go through, like, Scarlett Johansson's whole. Right, right. They do perfectly execute an A plot and a B plot with a reconciliatory ending.

It's kind of ridiculous to throw that claim at this movie that they don't feel connected. Like they really do. And they really are well connected. Getting them together.

The father building a boat, sailing his daughter across the sea to New York University. That's a little crazy, but it's realistic. People do that or have done that.

Joshuua Noel: 00:31:42

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:31:43

It was kind of cool.

TJ Blackwell: 00:31:44

Like, they got attacked by a mosasaur. That's not their fault.

Joshuua Noel: 00:31:48

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:31:48

Could have happened to anybody.

Joshuua Noel: 00:31:50

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:31:50

Well, especially if the premise of the movie is that people are tired of dinosaurs anyway. They're just so ordinary. That's like a regular part of life. And now they're starting to die off and they're only in, like, this one area.

Like, I feel like he probably just didn't even really think that much about it.

Joshuua Noel: 00:32:04

Like.

Joshuua Noel: 00:32:04

Yeah, dinosaur, whatever.

Joshuua Noel: 00:32:05

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:32:06

They haven't really messed with us that much.

TJ Blackwell: 00:32:08

Oh. They only live on the equator. Okay. The earth's huge, if you haven't noticed. It's pretty unlikely.

Joshuua Noel: 00:32:14

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:32:15

Most of the equator is ocean.

Joshuua Noel: 00:32:17

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:32:18

And I'm going to pick on our good friend Pastor Will Rose.

I love him, but one of his complaints, which I think is partially legitimate, but I'm going to say that I explain it, and I'm going to be arrogant and say, I think I might understand this a little bit better than Will because of experience.

Joshuua Noel: 00:32:31

Maybe.

Joshuua Noel: 00:32:32

But maybe not. Maybe I'm just an arrogant loser, jerk, stupid head.

Joshuua Noel: 00:32:35

I don't know. Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:32:37

But.

But he talks about how one of the things that took him out of the film a little bit was how the dad's leg got injured and sometimes he was, like, able to run and he's trying to get away. And then sometimes he's like, oh, I need my kids help. And he's like, that doesn't make sense, man.

As someone who's like, regularly hurts terribly all the time. Yes. When I need to, I can run. And then usually immediately afterwards, I can't lean over. You know, like, that's a pretty normal Experience for me.

So it didn't take me out of the film. It was a different kind of injury. So there is that.

But also it's just one of those where I'm like, yeah, actually sometimes that's just how pain works. I get that.

Joshuua Noel: 00:33:11

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:33:12

They never even like confirm what happened to his leg. I assume like hairline fracture.

Joshuua Noel: 00:33:18

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:33:18

Something.

TJ Blackwell: 00:33:19

Who knows because he could walk on it. Like I've broken my leg pretty badly.

Joshuua Noel: 00:33:23

Also the film, to be honest, the film did just want an excuse to make the kids do more things because, you know, kids were doing stuff in the first Jurassic park movie and that's kind of, you know, nostalgia berries. Remember?

Joshuua Noel: 00:33:32

Yeah, yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:33:33

Which I remember do think was one of the goals of the movie. And I think they pulled it off pretty well. It feels fairly reminiscent of the first Jurassic park film.

We've got that same sense of wonder, like we're new dinosaurs new. Also to its credit, very realistic dinosaurs. And I'm going to give credit where it's due.

When Jurassic World 3 came out, it was being made Asset 87 the spino in Jurassic World 3. That's just what we thought they looked like back then.

And it feels like every, every year at this rate, we find out new information about the spinosaurus. It's like actually it was smaller and uglier and slower and worse overall.

Joshuua Noel: 00:34:11

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:34:12

Well, I mean, also part of why the weird genetics.

I love Nick, but part of why some of the weird genetic experiment stuff just makes a lot of sense to me is because exactly how we make sense of the movies, like the way the Jurassic park one came out and that's like what we thought dinosaurs were. Then later, like when the Jurassic World moves are coming out where they go actually they probably had feathers and had this.

And we had to explain why we brought dinosaurs back. And the dinosaurs we brought back aren't like the original dinosaurs now that we know a little bit more.

And the best explanation was yeah, there was DNA gaps and we filled it in to the best of our knowledge for what we think happened in their genetic code. And then we realized that's not true. So now we have these genetic freak dinosaurs that aren't actually what the dinosaurs look like.

Yeah, no, that just makes sense.

TJ Blackwell: 00:34:52

Yeah, it's very, very sensible. This in Rebirth. This is the island of genetically correct dinosaurs. Apparently the Kenzo is is pretty correct for what we know.

Titanosaurus is pretty much correct. They do have like seven accurate spinosaurus. It rocks. And of course like the old to incorrect Dilophosaurus does show up.

It's there for a few seconds, and it runs away from the super mega. Huge T. Rex.

Joshuua Noel: 00:35:20

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:35:20

Also, the T. Rex looked silly, but it was fun because it was, like, got to have a T. Rex scene and it had to be with the family.

TJ Blackwell: 00:35:26

And the T. Rex was massive.

Joshuua Noel: 00:35:28

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:35:28

And it was great. Act a lot more like animals. I just like Jurassic World Rebirth a lot.

Joshuua Noel: 00:35:34

Yeah, it's fun. And again, like, the theme can't get over how much.

And we're gonna get more into this, but, like, this theme of, like, everybody's coming either because of money or because they care about, like, this whole, like, huge view of, like, the planet and what good we can do.

And just, like, having that juxtaposed with, like, just this family that just wants to live their life and then overlaying it with this message of, like, hey, yeah, science shouldn't just be for rich people. What if it was accessible to, like, everybody and we didn't have to rely on, like, big pharma?

And it's like, the fact that they're having this message and then it ends when they're like, you know what? We are going to release this to everybody sitting across in a small boat, and it's just ordinary family trying to get by.

And you're like, yep, that's. I think it's the most powerful message of any of the Jurassic World movies.

TJ Blackwell: 00:36:20

Oh, I agree.

Joshuua Noel: 00:36:21

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:36:21

I won't say that about Jurassic park movies.

TJ Blackwell: 00:36:24

They definitely tried to make a real statement with Fallen Kingdom and Dominion. I just don't think it lands as well as it doesn't Rebirth.

Because in Rebirth, we see, you know, Zora Bennett, Scarlett Johansson, walk away from at least $10 million.

Joshuua Noel: 00:36:39

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:36:39

It was wild.

TJ Blackwell: 00:36:40

So it lands.

Joshuua Noel: 00:36:42

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:36:42

And part of why she learned her lesson is because people died. Like, and that's just realistic. Like, too many movies, in my opinion. Too many movies.

Now someone changes their heart because they realize they love their family more than they love money. People don't learn lessons that way. I wish they did. Like, that'd be cool.

Joshuua Noel: 00:36:56

Blake.

Joshuua Noel: 00:36:56

No, that doesn't happen.

Joshuua Noel: 00:36:57

But.

Joshuua Noel: 00:36:57

But you see people that you were close to, you were, like, real people, just straight up eaten. Yeah. That. That gets you to rethink things. That definitely makes you rethink things.

Joshuua Noel: 00:37:06

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:37:06

I have never seen it. I do feel like seeing someone get eaten would be worse than seeing someone get shot, which is implied that we desorb it.

It's been through quite a few times.

Joshuua Noel: 00:37:15

Yeah. So, yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:37:17

Yeah, it's got to suck. But we did mention a little Bit really. I want to say main focus, main antagonist is definitely still the people because it's still Jurassic World.

But main dinosaur antagonistic force are mutants and pretty, pretty scary mutants. If you are on YouTube, I had a picture of two of them on the screen. That's where you switch topics. The Distortus Rex and the Mutadon.

Horrifying, terrifying.

Joshuua Noel: 00:38:59

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:39:00

I don't think the D Rex got enough screen time, but I do think it was the right move just to kind of ease the impact of its appearance. Because that thing's ugly.

Joshuua Noel: 00:39:09

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:39:10

I think unsettling.

Joshuua Noel: 00:39:12

I legitimately think if it was on the screen much more, they probably would have ended up with an R rating, which would have been cool. But I think that might also be part of the thing because I know at one point this was gonna be an R rated film.

So that probably was planned where they were like, yeah, we're gonna have more of this. Gonna be terrifying. People are gonna be dropping F bombs. They're terrified because everyone's just done.

And they're like, yeah, what if we made it PG13 and got more people.

Joshuua Noel: 00:39:33

To watch the movie? Yep.

TJ Blackwell: 00:39:34

Thankfully, it did have one glaring weakness.

Joshuua Noel: 00:39:37

Light.

TJ Blackwell: 00:39:38

As it was raised in complete darkness. So they were able to kind of get around that and use a flare to escape and live, which is fun.

The Mutadons, however, I think were way scarier because they were just out of their minds at this laboratory and they were like, people are bored of velociraptors. What can we do? And someone was like, make them fly.

Joshuua Noel: 00:39:57

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:39:57

Terrifying. Terrible thoughts.

TJ Blackwell: 00:40:00

We also see it straight up murder two velociraptors on the island and eat one of them.

Joshuua Noel: 00:40:05

One of those scenes was really funny.

TJ Blackwell: 00:40:08

Yeah, it was. Was really, really funny. And that's another thing. Rebirth brings back the camp. Like, it's funny.

Joshuua Noel: 00:40:15

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:40:15

It's intentionally funny. And it doesn't play it up at all. It just has funny scenes in it. And you were supposed to watch that and be like, oh, man, that was funny.

The characters aren't supposed to think that was funny.

Joshuua Noel: 00:40:26

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:40:27

Also, I'm backtrack a little bit. Jurassic park had a better message than this movie. However, I think the message of this film is more applicable than any of those.

Because, like, realistically, I can't do a lot about, like, hey, science. Maybe we should have limits on what we do and not just do stuff, because we can. I'm not a scientist. I don't have a lot of money.

I don't have any political say. It's a Great message about it and not much I could do with it.

This, though, maybe I should change my perspective to care more about individual humans. I can do that.

Joshuua Noel: 00:40:53

Yeah. Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:40:54

So I'm gonna give it an eight and a half out of ten.

Joshuua Noel: 00:40:57

You know what?

Joshuua Noel: 00:40:57

I was gonna give it a nine. I think it's the lame. Just weird to get. For me to give a Jurassic movie higher rating than you. I feel like.

Joshuua Noel: 00:41:02

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:41:03

I mean, I just. I don't know if it really deserves a nine.

Joshuua Noel: 00:41:07

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:41:08

See, I was thinking of it. I was like. I feel like. Like, my. My gut was originally like eight, and then like, I'm like, I know.

I just don't have that many problems with this movie, though. And, like, realistically, yeah. I'm far more likely to rewatch this than any other Jurassic World movie.

TJ Blackwell: 00:41:21

That is true. But I. If I'm.

Joshuua Noel: 00:41:24

And more than Jurassic Park 3.

TJ Blackwell: 00:41:27

No, I'm watching all three of the Jurassic park movies before I rewatch this too.

Joshuua Noel: 00:41:31

I saw the Jurassic park. Jurassic Park 2 is, like, way lower. And then this is a little bit lower than Jurassic Park 2 for me.

And then Jurassic Park 3 is a little bit lower than this and all the other Jurassic World movies or a solid point or two lower than that.

Joshuua Noel: 00:41:44

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:41:44

That's fair.

Joshuua Noel: 00:41:45

Yeah. Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:41:46

That's where I'm at.

TJ Blackwell: 00:41:46

That is. Anyway, this movie, I will say, is beautiful.

Joshuua Noel: 00:41:50

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:41:50

Gorgeous movie.

Joshuua Noel: 00:41:51

The titanosaurus, everything.

TJ Blackwell: 00:41:54

Forget about it. Also, Scarlett Johansson, they tried to make her, like, rugged, you know, super, like, cool, badass.

Like, it's just impossible to make Scarlett Johansson not gorgeous. Uh, so they tried.

Joshuua Noel: 00:42:09

Yeah. Accurate.

TJ Blackwell: 00:42:10

They tried, and it's just impossible. She's there. She's Scarlett Johansson.

Joshuua Noel: 00:42:14

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:42:15

That's credit to her.

Joshuua Noel: 00:42:16

I think my only complaint, actually, is some of the CGI they do for the background. Sometimes the background is just very obviously green screen.

Joshuua Noel: 00:42:23

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:42:24

I'm not looking at the background. I'm looking at dinosaurs.

Joshuua Noel: 00:42:26

As you should. I'm just a loser.

Joshuua Noel: 00:42:28

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:42:29

What. What are you looking forward to with the Jurassic series stuff I mentioned earlier.

Jurassic Park World Evolution 3, it's a tycoon game that's gonna be far more detailed than its predecessors. It looks like, in a much more intricate story to me.

The Jurassic World Evolution games do what the movie should have done because, like, you know, like, Fallen Kingdoms, like, oh, man, now dinosaurs are everywhere. And they just kind of capitalize on it, but don't really. In Dominion. Yeah. The games are like, yeah, no, dinosaurs are everywhere.

It is now your job to figure out what to do about that. It's great. I love the games. I feel like they did a much better job of carrying through that part of the story.

Joshuua Noel: 00:43:04

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:43:05

So I'm excited for that.

TJ Blackwell: 00:43:06

So for me, I feel like Jurassic World is primed to really enter, like, the video gaming landscape and not in a tycoon way. I think now would be the perfect time to come out with a Jurassic World horror game.

Joshuua Noel: 00:43:21

Well, my understanding is they are right, isn't it? Jurassic Park Survivor is not going to be the next, I hope, video game thing they do. I hope it's good. That's very horror.

TJ Blackwell: 00:43:32

The, like, more children's focused content. The cartoons. I'm about to dive into those because I've been hearing some really, really good things.

But moving forward from Rebirth, I don't know how much farther forward it goes.

Joshuua Noel: 00:43:43

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:43:44

It's weird. This was. It didn't set up for a sequel, really. It just kind of told its own story.

Like, this is an individual, isolated story that just happens to take place in the Jurassic World universe.

Joshuua Noel: 00:43:54

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:43:55

And it frames it as pretty final.

Joshuua Noel: 00:43:57

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:43:58

Because it says, like, hey, dinosaurs can only survive in these areas and we're just going to let them.

Joshuua Noel: 00:44:02

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:44:03

Until, of course, we get Kong versus Godzilla versus Dino T. Rex.

Joshuua Noel: 00:44:08

I don't know. Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:44:10

I don't know how to say this name, but somebody commented and I'm acknowledging it.

Joshuua Noel: 00:44:16

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:44:16

All right. So the things in common, if you're cool, to move on to that.

Joshuua Noel: 00:44:21

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:44:22

So one, of course, would be, like, the female lead. You know, typically, you know, Iron man obviously was a dude.

Typically, our Jurassic movies have been male action figure leads, female leads representing. I think it was cool. I think what I like that they both did is that, like, it wasn't about, oh, hey, look, even crows can be cool. They just.

They're there and they're awesome.

Joshuua Noel: 00:44:43

Yep. Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:44:44

Simple.

Joshuua Noel: 00:44:45

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:44:45

Scarlett Johansson, she's awesome.

Joshuua Noel: 00:44:47

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:44:48

Ironheart. They kind of let it be part of the story a little bit of, like, how, you know, male privilege and she doesn't have that.

But they don't play it up too much. It's just clearly part of her motivation. I'm like, all right, Jurassic World. Nope. Charlotte Johansson's cool. That's all you need to know.

Joshuua Noel: 00:45:01

Yeah. Yeah.

TJ Blackwell: 00:45:03

She's prestigious in her field.

Joshuua Noel: 00:45:05

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:45:06

But I did, like. I like seeing more female leads in our nerdy action films and shows. Like, that's cool.

The things that I think I appreciate the most, the two main things I want to get on here is, like, one is like, who benefits from scientific advances or technology Advances, Right.

Like, like in Ironheart, you have this whole storyline of like, she's struggling to get on top because, like, she came from a lower class family in a lower class part of Chicago. And it's like she doesn't have the same resources that someone like Tony Stark might have.

Jurassic World, you have this like, hey, money is like the driving force for a large part of the movie.

And one of the themes is like, hey, the pharmaceuticals, trying to capitalize this, make tons of money, and, you know, rich people will be able to get insurance and afford the medicine that they made and nobody else will.

TJ Blackwell: 00:45:51

Capitalism is the driving force of all of Jurassic World up to this point. So turning that away at the very end, that was it.

Joshuua Noel: 00:45:58

Yeah, that was great. Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:46:00

So do you have anything else to say about, like, just about that? I like that that's part of both of these storylines. I know we touch on a little bit, but I don't know. How do you feel?

I mean, obviously money is necessary, but.

TJ Blackwell: 00:46:11

I feel just the pharmaceutical sector in general should be completely decapitalized. It should not be a free market.

Joshuua Noel: 00:46:18

Yeah, I agree.

TJ Blackwell: 00:46:19

People's lives are at stake. That's a whole different ballgame than who sells the best toilet brush.

Joshuua Noel: 00:46:23

And nothing shows that better than dinosaurs eating people.

Joshuua Noel: 00:46:26

Yep, yep, yep.

Joshuua Noel: 00:46:28

Yeah, I mean, tech too. I mean, realistically.

And this is where some schools do this really well, where, like, I actually think we should have more scholarships for people in lower classes because, like, some of our greatest minds we maybe never know about simply because they can't afford to go to these top tier colleges and stuff. And that's kind of. That's sad. But, you know, that's what capitalism does when it gets into the school system.

So maybe a little bit of decapitalizing the school system too. Clearly, MIT won't work for everybody either because some people are just too greedy. I love you, Riri, but I love you because you're flawed.

Joshuua Noel: 00:46:59

Yeah. All right.

Joshuua Noel: 00:47:01

And then the last thing is just how do we value life? We talk about it in Jurassic World.

The part of Ironheart that I like, that has to do with valuing life or choosing how we value life is actually, it kind of makes you question, does technology or magic, and I would extend that to spirituality and religion actually make it harder for us to cope with death. So in the series, she accidentally, and I think probably Mephisto had something to do with this. But that's just fan theory stuff.

Ignore me if you want.

She accidentally creates an AI that is able to manifest itself as a Hologram that looks exactly like her best friend that she lost at a shooting, right? And at the end of the series, the deal she makes with Mephisto because she lost that AI program got destroyed when she added magic to her suit.

She makes a deal with Mephisto and literally brings her friend back from the dead. And I think I actually like this.

Like, do we use technology or spirituality, mysticism, whatever, as kind of a crutch to deal with death, or is it able to help us with death? And you see that a lot with, like, the AI stuff.

But I thought that was an interesting aspect, especially when you see Jurassic World also commenting on, like, the value of life and how we actually see individuals. Lives matter. And when you see death up close, you're like, man, maybe we shouldn't capitalize on the pharmaceutical companies. So I don't.

I like that we're. We're thinking about the value of life in death and what death means to us. What do you think about all this, D.J.

Joshuua Noel: 00:48:22

Yeah, I mean, I think, you know.

TJ Blackwell: 00:48:24

I can't speak on the Ironheart side of things, but Jurassic World makes it very clear that, like, human life is.

What it's really all about is we brought with these creatures back and against their will, and it's cruel to, like, hunt them down and take away the few resources that they do have. And it's short, but they do mention, like, a couple of activist groups who are still fighting for dinosaur rides. And then Patrick. What's his name?

Patrick?

Joshuua Noel: 00:48:49

I do not remember.

TJ Blackwell: 00:48:51

No, I'm getting confused with the guy from Scooby Doo 2. Live action Scooby Doo 2. That is similar. The guy looks just like seth Green did 20 years ago, but it's my fault. But he's like, very.

Hey, these are just animals. So not only human life being valued and see that, but dinosaur life, animal life being extremely valuable.

Joshuua Noel: 00:49:15

I forgot about that because there's that line in the movie, too, is like, why wouldn't they just put these monsters that they created down? And even I was sitting in the theater, like, I kind of like, I don't know. I feel like I flinched a little bit at that question. What do you mean?

Like, yeah, they turned out to not how we expected. And maybe they're, like, monstrous or, you know, whatever, but, like, that's life.

And life still means something, even if it's an accidental, weird, clone creature thing that you made. You know, I don't know. I even feel. Personally, I'm a freak.

I feel weird about killing spiders sometimes, especially if they're outside, I'm like, this is where it lives. Why would I kill it?

Joshuua Noel: 00:49:46

Yeah, why would you kill it?

Joshuua Noel: 00:49:47

Yeah, but I don't know, man.

One of the things I really like about Ironheart that that's I'm still struggling with is like, that question of, like, technology and how changes how we interact with death.

Because, like, right now, thinking about AI and like, you know, I feel like most people's reaction is probably like, oh, yeah, creating the AI of your dead best friend in an hologram, that's probably unhealthy. I imagine at some point people probably thought something similar, like when you had recordings of your loved ones voices or pictures of it.

Because, like, at one point that was breaking technology. And like, up until that point, death meant you no longer saw or heard that person anymore. That's not true for us.

Now the normal part of coping with death for us is listening to old voicemails, looking at old pictures. But that wasn't always the case. And I'm thinking about this AI thing going, I don't know, man.

Obviously pretending like something's alive that's not is unhealthy. But I also don't want to be that person who's like, oh, new technology this bad?

Joshuua Noel: 00:50:37

I don't know.

Joshuua Noel: 00:50:38

I'm struggling with that one.

TJ Blackwell: 00:50:39

That's interesting.

Joshuua Noel: 00:50:40

Also, I also might depend on, like, if it was the person's choice, like, if for some reason TJ before his death was like, wait, hold up, I'm going to download my consciousness into this AI program. I feel like I'd have less moral quandaries than if you died.

And then later, one of our other friends was like, I'm going to program an AI to be TJ since we don't have him anymore. You know, like, there's a little bit of a difference.

TJ Blackwell: 00:50:59

I feel like I'd be okay with that. But I will be leaving the show when I die.

Joshuua Noel: 00:51:04

No.

Joshuua Noel: 00:51:04

Yes.

TJ Blackwell: 00:51:05

You can only AI me if the AI doesn't have to be on the show.

Joshuua Noel: 00:51:08

Oh, okay.

Joshuua Noel: 00:51:09

I don't know if I keep doing the show if you die, but this is getting to be a really morbid conversation. Weird how Deva does that. Um, yeah. And then the spiritual magic component also, they did the line, magic always comes with a price.

And in my brain just immediately thought of Rumpelstiltskin from Once Upon a Time saying it, and I was like, yeah, this is great. So I don't know. Dealing with death is hard. Caring about all life is important and not everything should be part of capitalism.

Maybe some things should be free to the public and we should prioritize everyone.

Joshuua Noel: 00:51:41

Yeah, yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:51:43

Oh, don't worry Nick. AIU will be naughty.

Joshuua Noel: 00:51:45

AIU will be gross. Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:51:47

Everybody else's AI might be normal, but not Nick's. Not if I have anything to say about it. Well, we just got canceled and taken off of YouTube so I'm gonna go and if you're cool with it and wrap this.

Are you good to wrap up?

TJ Blackwell: 00:51:59

Yeah, no, I'm fine. Better be if AI Nick is coming out.

Joshuua Noel: 00:52:03

Yeah, yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:52:09

With that. That wasn't a dinosaur. That was Godzilla. But close enough.

You know the wrap ups for what's news, we always have to pick one IP we discussed doesn't have to be the main two. Could be anything that we just mentioned in passing as your recommendation of the week.

So if you had to pick anything that we talked about today, including Kingdom Hearts manga, which one thing would you pick?

TJ Blackwell: 00:52:29

Yeah, Jurassic World Rebirth for sure. For sure. Like it really is really good.

Joshuua Noel: 00:52:35

I think I'm gonna agree. I love Kingdom Hearts. The only reason to read that manga is if you're like me and you're just like starving for more Kingdom Hearts content.

The only reason to get the playing cards really is collectibles. My understanding is playing card version of it is stupid. But as a collectible that's cool.

So again if I'm just recommending something for somebody who isn't obsessed with Kingdom Hearts. Yeah, Jurassic World Rebirth for sure.

Joshuua Noel: 00:52:56

Yeah.

Joshuua Noel: 00:52:56

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