Revisiting Groundhog Day: A Cinematic Tradition

Joe Dea: 00:01:14

Okay, campers, rise and shine. And don't forget to put your booties on because it's cold out there today. What's up, you geeks? Welcome back to systematic Geekology.

It is early February, which means it is time once again for a yearly tradition around these parts. Do not change that dial. If you are experienced seeing a little bit of deja vu, that is simply because it is once again Groundhog's Day.

So it is a bit of a tradition around here to talk about the seminal movie of the occasion. And who better to join me to talk about this timeless classic than the man himself? Joined by Evan. What's up, dude?

Evan Garcia: 00:02:09

Hey.

Joe Dea: 00:02:10

Hey. Hey.

Evan Garcia: 00:02:11

I'm doing well. I'm doing well. Excited to talk about this Bill Murray classic. Fantastic, fantastic flick. It's a perfect time of year. Yeah. How are you doing, Joe?

Joe Dea: 00:02:28

I'm doing well. Yeah. It's. It's funny you. You mentioned, you know, that time of year. It makes me think of the quote from the movie.

You want a prediction about the weather? You're asking the wrong Phil. I'll give you a winter prediction.

It's going to be cold, it's going to be gray, and it's going to last you for the rest of. Of your life. Yeah, it's. This is one of those movies that was kind of always there in like. Like growing up, you know what I mean? Like, I.

I remember I grew up right down the street from a. An indie video store, and I would go in there on. On a regular basis. And I remember seeing this. This case, and so went there and.

And watched it from a really young age. And it's that I remember being fascinated by this movie because of the premise. And it's always entertaining to me to see what the.

What the opinions are of this movie and fan theories to try and explain it and all that jazz. But we'll get to all of that. What is your history with this movie?

Evan Garcia: 00:03:45

History with this movie is. It is a. It is a really wide range. I see. I had never seen it until the.

The research for this show, for this episode, for this recording, but I felt like I had when I saw it because there were so many memes, there's so many quotable lines. And. But that being said, I've been. I've been. I've been wanting to see the film because I love Bill Murray and, And Dan.

No, not Dan Aykroyd, the director. What's his name?

Joe Dea: 00:04:29

Shoot.

Evan Garcia: 00:04:30

Yeah, From Ghostbusters. Also Venkman. But. Yeah, yeah, but. But I also. Our daughter, she was born on. On a groundhog's day. That's her birthday.

So I was like, man, I gotta watch this movie now. It's crazy Ramus. There we go.

Joe Dea: 00:04:55

Perfect.

Evan Garcia: 00:04:55

Yeah. And so her sweet. She wants a. She wants a quinceanera. So I was thinking about hitting him up or something.

Be like, hey, Bill, we are big fans over here and we would like you to show up to her party. And I think he might show up.

Joe Dea: 00:05:20

There are some stories of people, like celebrities getting. Getting those kinds of invites and just showing up. And that's always funny to me. Yeah. So I should.

I should throw in this movie is resonant for my neck of the woods because I grew up a couple hours outside of Punctumi.

Evan Garcia: 00:05:43

Oh, cool. Okay.

Joe Dea: 00:05:45

So it was like a big thing whether or not the oversized rat actually saw his shadow and. And all of that. But, yeah, so it's. It's funny to me. You know, you have a. You have a premise like this, and it's. It's so rife in.

In a YouTube world, in a fan theory world of all of these different takes on the movie. So before we get into any of the ridiculousness that.

That has been posited about explaining this movie, you watch it for the first time for the, for the show. What do you think?

Evan Garcia: 00:06:30

I loved it. I was not expecting the, The. The. The sci fi of it all and how they leaned into it. It was almost like the episode of Black Mirror.

I was like, all right, so I. Or like Twilight Zone. Like. And I. I knew that I would like the movie because of.

Because of its legacy, but I respected the film when I was done with it, mainly because of its ending.

Joe Dea: 00:07:07

But yeah, Yeah, I. So I went back and watched it again because it been years since I. Since I'd seen it last, and there's a lot of it that holds up some of it. I'm.

I'm a little. You know, I've. I've grown out of. But there's this style of 80s 90s comedy that is just. It's. It's what I. It's what I was raised on.

You know what I mean? Like, it's. I'm right. I'm right in that. That. Right, that. That right demo and the.

So I'm watching this movie and the DJ hits like that opening line of the movie. Okay, campers, rise and shine. And don't forget to put your booties on because it's cold out there today.

And it immediately took me back to being a kid and. Oh, yeah, like the first time of watching this movie.

It is interesting how willing they were they were to mix the worlds of comedy and sci fi because I feel like nowadays sci fi is always presented as drama.

And so this is just a different take of like there are dramatic moments, there are serious subject matter to that are handled in this movie, but the whole thing is presented largely through the lens of comedy.

Evan Garcia: 00:08:35

Yeah. Oh, I totally agree. And that's what I. When I was watching it, I was like, oh, so this is.

So this is the other sci fi comedy movie that's not Ghostbusters. I was like, oh, okay.

Joe Dea: 00:08:49

Yeah. Yep, pretty much there. But it. And one of the things that I think. I don't know if it's just because of the. The nostalgia of it all for me, but I. The.

The quotes are just endless from. From this overall. Like, do you ever have deja vu, Mrs. Lancaster? I don't think so, but I could check with the kitchen if you like. Like, come on.

It's all. And it's all just presented with such. Yeah. So it's. It's funny that a movie like this. I, I just don't think a movie like this gets made in.

In: 2025

I cannot tell you whether or not this is actually legitimate or not, or this is just somebody who created a fan. A fan video or whatever. But apparently there's gonna be a sequel to it in that's supposed to be coming out this year. I don't know. I can't.

I cannot substantiate whether or not that's actually legitimate or not. I hope. I certainly hope not because I think that's a trend that needs to go the way of the dodo.

That we need to stop making legacy sequels to these movies.

Evan Garcia: 00:10:14

However, the. The title Groundhog Day. Groundhog Day has a. Has. Has a ring to it.

Joe Dea: 00:10:25

Yeah. Yeah. I feel like if they are gonna do it, it's gotta be something like that.

Evan Garcia: 00:10:30

Yeah, yeah. But. But like you were saying with that comedy there and that edge that it had and, And I don't know how we do.

I'm assuming the listeners have seen the movie and stuff and we are going to spoil it. But when the character changes, when the character of Bill Murray, Phil changes, I love that his character still was.

He was still witty and that comedy was still there, but he was applying it differently. That was huge to me. Because. Because. Because at first it's just that like snarky kind of postmodern cynicism and. And. And that was expected.

You know, I was like, okay, it's the 90s and stuff like that. But then when he makes the turn and that's still there, I was like, that's. That was a nice touch. Like, he didn't completely get saved or.

Or have come to Jesus moment, you know, and he completely changes. You know, he is a new creation. No, he's just has. Has different outlook on life, and he's still the same person. And I forgot what joke it was.

The one where they're dancing in the party and I was just cracking up. But I. I really like that his humor survived after his little turn.

Joe Dea: 00:12:10

Yeah, Yeah, I. I appreciate a good, solid, dark comedy and the fact that.

That, that tone remains as you're going through the character progression of Phil, as he's going through and realizing he's in a time loop and he's, you know, getting everything. You know, he's trying to get everything that he wants and then realizes there's a certain level of futility to it all.

And then you start to get the montage, all of the different ways that he unalives himself, and he takes. He kidnaps the groundhog and has him in the truck with him and the whole nine yards, like, but the whole time he's still, like, cracking jokes.

And I just. It's.

There's a level of humanity to this movie that takes you on an emotional ride of character development that maintains the entire way and doesn't end in a hallmark. Everybody is. Is all sunshine and rainbows. Like, yes, eventually he makes it out where he hits the day after Groundhog Day.

But it's not that everything is, you know, all of a sudden better. It's that he has gone through a maturation process and has become a.

A more mature person by way of this entire arc that he's been on throughout the entire movie.

Evan Garcia: 00:13:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that arc, I was like, oh, man, how far are they gonna take this? And. But when they. When. When the film finished, I was like, oh, great.

Like, I really did like it. And. And it wasn't cheesy. To me, how they left felt so natural. The. The. The producer girlfriend was a very. She, like.

She, like, she was interesting because she had an arc, but it was played through the different versions of herself in the different days that he. That he did that. And I think that last. That last one was a culmination of everything. And that was pretty sweet little touch.

Joe Dea: 00:14:47

There, I think, for as much as, you know, obviously, Bill Murray is the star of this movie, but I think for as much as you talk about Bill Murray, you have to talk about Andy Mattel, Rita, the love interest Rita. And that's, she's, she's one of those actresses that if you grew up a cinephile in the 90s, you, oh man, you know what I mean?

There she is exactly like, oh, that it's her. You know what I mean? Same thing with, with the other on air person, Larry, the Chris Elliott. He's another guy that's been in like everything.

Evan Garcia: 00:15:27

The one that surprised me and I was so excited to see him was, was, was, was Stephen Tobolowski. I love him and I. He had no idea he was in this and, and he's in that classic role of like that side character that he plays so well. So it was great.

Joe Dea: 00:15:50

Yeah, I think it, I think there's a certain charm to movies of this era where because not everything had to be a billion dollar, you know, tent pole movie that's got to break the, break the, the box office charts and all of this stuff and you could make smaller movies. Now this movie happens to be one that like lives on and all of that because it is around a holiday.

But even in comparative size and scale to other movies of its time, it's not like this is breaking box office records and all of that jazz, but it still has an opportunity to be more of an artistic flip.

And that's where, you know, some of these, like Stephen Tablowski, you know, obviously Bill Murray, you know, got they, they would find their, their roles in larger productions along the way. But a lot of the individual faces where you look at them and you're like, oh, hey, it's him. Oh, hey, it's her.

The reason why, you know, that is because of smaller films that came out more frequently.

And so these actors and actresses have a million credits to their name if you look them up on IMDb because there were so many of these sorts of movies coming out that you couldn't help but know them if you grew up watching movies or even TV shows at this time.

Evan Garcia: 00:17:36

Yes, yes, exactly. Who was the cameraman's name again?

Joe Dea: 00:17:43

The cameraman's name was Chris Elliott, Larry.

Evan Garcia: 00:17:49

Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, he was one of those guys that he played that role and he plays it a lot.

I think of you think he's a simple man, but he's more complex as you get to know the character more and, and, and, and I liked his, some of his moments in this.

Joe Dea: 00:18:13

Yeah. I mean, going so, going through the list of. Of the cast members, even down to, like, the piano teacher, the.

One of the police officers, even one of the men. He's just crazy. Mayor. Yeah, the mayor as well.

Like, there are so many people, from major roles to minor roles that you go through, and it's like, oh, hey, it's them. Oh, hey, it's her. Oh, hey, it's him.

Evan Garcia: 00:18:42

You know, I didn't look it up, but at the end, like, at the party, the. Was it at the party? Was it at the hotel? But he lights a lady cigarette that looked like the wife from. From a Christmas vacation?

I was like, wait a minute, is that her? I couldn't tell.

Joe Dea: 00:19:11

I'm not sure. But yeah, that's there. It's just. It's so funny when you. When you look back and see the who's who that end up in these. In these movies over time.

So here's a question. Before we get. Before we get into some of the ridiculous takes and some of the explanations to give to this movie, what do you think the.

What do you think the explanation is? Do you. Have you developed some kind of theory that explains him being caught in a time loop and eventually coming out the other side of it?

Evan Garcia: 00:19:44

The first thing I thought of was, this is probably a Job kind of job kind of tale, like from the. From the story of Job. And this is God trying to teach him a lesson or trying to prove a point. And that's about as far as I went. But there were, like.

There were different points where I'm like, oh, oh. I'm sure there's a bunch of fan theories about this and that.

And, like, the one for me was, hey, what about if the Steven Tobolawski character, he's in the same loop but just. But just different. I was like, oh, okay. And then I didn't. I didn't. I did not. I did not take that anywhere, but I thought that would be cool.

But, yes, but, yes, I can see how there's a. A plethora of the. Of the. Of the fan theories out there.

Joe Dea: 00:20:49

Yeah. So the. What the.

The most wild one that I got to when I was younger was that Steven Tobolowski's character, that Ned is the mastermind, that Ned is like some cosmic force, or Ned is God, or Ned is whatever is pulling the strings on this whole thing. And, like, the measure of Bill Murray's character progression is measured by Ned in how he interacts with him and all of that. That was.

That was as wild as I got. So, yeah, they're the. The most prominent one for this one is that he's. That Bill Murray. Phil is actually dead.

Like the whole time he's actually dead and he's going through purgatory. That he's basically stuck in purgatory.

And he has to finally make right with who he is and make right with the universe and all of this jazz that just, you know, that. That then he breaks the loop and he can finally ascend to heaven by. By the time the whole thing is said and done.

That's probably the most famous one posited. It's either by screen junkies or Watch Mojo or one of those. Those. No, no, I think it's what culture were the ones that. That put that one forward.

The other one is that he's actually not the one that's stuck in the time loop.

That it's Rita who's stuck in the time loop, but she doesn't know that, you know, and that he's just subject to her coming around to him and that like the. Really she is low key, the central figure in the world.

Evan Garcia: 00:22:39

Cool. That's fun. That's fun. And. And one of the things that I respected of it is that there was no compose.

Credit sequence of some guy had a keyboard or something, you know, like that he was the. The master coder for our. For. For this whole thing. It's like they just left it ambiguous. And I think that added to the value of it because.

Because people like to find those kind of answers and they like to make up a canon and. And they like to connect the dots and this film let the people do that without being too over the top about it.

Joe Dea: 00:23:28

Yeah, Yeah. I. It's funny because growing up in the.

In the Northeast, it was always about like, for people who aren't in Punxsuttoni, and even for people in that town, it is like. Yeah, it's a. It's a town. It used to be a town celebration and be a big deal and all that kind of stuff. But really the people. The.

The people in Pennsylvania are some of the people that will take it the least seriously and like be. Be the most. The most outspoken about how stupid that tradition is of an oversized rat predicting the weather. And so getting the getting to see this.

To see the groundhog get, like, get got by Bill Murray was half the fun of this movie. But yeah, so it's. You know, there's everything from.

From this being a metaphor for psychoanalysis, this being a metaphor for purgatory, this being a metaphor. I think the most ridiculous one that I saw was this is A metaphor for Judaism. That one was fascinating.

Evan Garcia: 00:24:43

All right.

Joe Dea: 00:24:44

You know, but it's. I. I think for me, and in thinking about this movie, it's.

I think any one of those trying to compare it to some kind of religious allegory falls short on actually looking at the character progression and the emotionalism of the movie. Like, part of why I wouldn't want to see a sequel take place is I don't want them to try and explain it.

I think it's fine at some cosmic level where, you know, some cosmic force saw that Bill Murray needed to grow as an individual, and so he stuck him inside of a time loop where he needed to grow and become something different, immature, and just. Just leave it there, you know what I mean? And have a satisfying character arc that is very human in nature.

And some cosmic questions are better left unexplored.

Evan Garcia: 00:25:50

Yeah, yeah. And that's where the. What's.

Where the respect came from for me, because I completely agree that I would hate to see the sequel and they have a reference to. To the. To the Phil project or something. You know, it's like. Oh, come on, man. It's like.

Joe Dea: 00:26:12

Yeah. One of the few. One of the few fan theories that I'm fascinated.

I never saw was that really the groundhogs behind the whole thing, that is like, punks. Tony Phil is the. Is the mastermind behind the entirety of the. Of the thing. I'm like, what? That seems like a layup. Like, Blame the Groundhog.

You know what I mean?

Evan Garcia: 00:27:47

That's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Dea: 00:27:51

It's one of those. I. I think. I think the value of this movie sits in appreciating it for what it was at the time. Like, I think this is a movie that if you.

If you grew up and you are of the particular vintage that guys like us are. This is, like, straight down the middle. This is. This is 80s 90s comedy. And, yeah, it's risque. Yeah, it's dark humor. Yeah, it's dark comedy.

That's half the fun. Y'all. Like, that's one of. This is one of those things you gotta be.

If you've never watched Groundhog and you're listening to Systematic Ecology and you're asking yourself the question, should I watch this movie? You gotta have a sense of humor to watch this movie. You just do.

You gotta be willing to accept the fact that, like, not everything is made for kids, and that's okay. Maybe don't watch this with all the little geeks out there. You know what I mean? There is probably an age Limit on.

On how young you want to go and watching these things because you may end up in an awkward situation of trying to explain some scenes and all of that. But outside of that, I, I think there's something. I think there's something beautiful to the fact that like we see these.

That we see the ridiculousness get ratcheted up and ratcheted up and ratcheted up in these big elaborate scenes and all of that. But the most touching is when it just gets the most mundane. They're just. They just spend. Spend the night talking and throwing cards into a hat.

And that was huge, overly complex. It's just two people connecting. And that to me is where you have like an entire era of movies where a. I don't think that this one is. Gets.

Gets made in: 2025

And I think there's a beauty in that era of movie that's captured when watching something like this.

Evan Garcia: 00:30:16

Yeah, Yeah, I was thinking about that.

It just let them have their moments, you know, it's like it felt so natural and I'm glad that, that he kind of was a Hallmark ending, but it wasn't at the same time. Like didn't feel forced. It didn't feel forced. So there was a point I was going to make, but I forgot it. If I remember, I'll bring it up.

Joe Dea: 00:30:50

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, you.

Happy ending, but to me, puppy ending and a Hallmark ending are two different things because it just, it, it like, like you said, nothing's forced. And I think that's why you have a movie like this where we could sit here and do. And. And you're gonna do this thing again again next year.

Have a top five. Have a top five fan theories about this, this movie. But I think this is a love letter. You know, if, if there's one.

You know, I think, I think with a movie like this, you almost have to find a different angle every single time that you talk about a movie like this. And that's.

Evan Garcia: 00:31:29

You have to get real creative.

Joe Dea: 00:31:31

Yeah.

I think there's a power to the fact that you can, you can approach it from different angles, you can peel back different layers, you can, you can hit this from different theories because it just lets it sit in the ambiguity. It just lets it sit out there in the ethos of not explaining every single solitary thing.

And to me this sits as a love letter to a bygone era of moviemaking. If there was any one thing that I pull out from this A, it's appreciating the, the continuous evolution of man.

The fact that we don't need to have a nice buttoned up thing. That's not humanity. That's not humanity. If you're a Christian, that's not humanity.

If you're a non Christian, it doesn't matter what angle you're hitting this from. We don't need an over religiousized answer to the problem of Groundhog Day.

I think we can just appreciate the, the enduring nature that humans go through processes and evolve into something new and that can be okay.

And we can appreciate something that is a bit more risque, that does make some crude jokes and have some crude humor and accept the fact that yeah, this lived at a different time. No, it's not like overtly in these different disrespectful directions and we can just appreciate a movie from a different era.

Evan Garcia: 00:33:12

Right, right. And, and, and let it be.

But I think when you think of a sequel or I'm trying to think of kind of, kind of similar movies that have kind of this trope with a relationship and a like weird quirky, a sci fi nest to them and the two that come to mind is 50 First Dates, that one kind of works. It's got that like, oh, we got to keep doing it. And then I haven't seen it since it came out.

So pardon me if this is a, a, a junior a, A preschool connection, but Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, that, that came to mind.

And, and I was, I was like if they made a sequel in those kind of veins, I think that would still work and provide that link to what you're saying of a filmmaking of the past that is that, that we just, that we just don't have anymore but still be valid for it for the newer generations, the, or the newer audiences. Or, or I could see it. I could see it being. Trying to keep that specialness.

But maybe, but maybe take one of those fan theories and kind of fly with it because I think that would be cool.

But you're right, it is a film that, that once you see it, once I saw it, I love the whole film grain to it all and I like that the whole film, it probably was on purpose, but the whole film was overcast. There weren't any shadows, there was no bright lights. Just it was all flat image until the very end. I said, all right, touche.

I see what you're doing there.

Joe Dea: 00:35:31

Yeah. Yeah, I, I definitely agree that you almost. I think you get the most out of a movie like this by watching it on like a crt.

Like, like an old and sort of like, like film grain to it. I think is. Is really one of the more endearing aspects of watching a movie that is this kind of age.

So I looked it up, and apparently we are getting a sequel that's supposed to release this year, and it's his kid that's going through a. A time loop. So maybe next year when it comes time for Groundhog Day, they'll be that. You'll be talking about the, the sequel. I.

Evan Garcia: 00:36:16

All right.

Joe Dea: 00:36:17

In no way, shape or form interested in that, but that's okay. Not every. Not every movie is for every person, so.

Evan Garcia: 00:36:25

And is this son going to be played by Adam Driver? Probably right?

Joe Dea: 00:36:30

Yeah, probably. Probably so. So, closing thoughts. What, you know, what, what, what final thoughts do you have about the movie and all that?

Evan Garcia: 00:36:41

My final thoughts are I'm glad I finally saw it. It was. It was one of those blind spots. I loved how it started, and I love its execution. And it wasn't forced.

It was kind of expected, but I did appreciate it. And the showcasing that humans have different layers and the possibility to grow through processes like this. I love that. And that was.

That was a big takeaway from it.

Joe Dea: 00:37:26

Yeah, I, I can see how if you didn't grow up with this movie, your. Your mileage may vary on whether or not you are necessarily super forgiving of. Of this particular movie. But I think if you can.

If you can either see past or come to appreciate the 80s 90s era of. Of jokes and all of that sort of jazz, I think this is a.

I think this is a really good story of the human spirit and, and the fact that humans can change and that humans can shift regardless of situation and circumstance. They can grow as. As individuals. So that's one of. One of my favorite parts of the whole thing.

So we didn't start it off with this, so we'll go ahead and end it. We usually start off with what you're geeking out on. So what are you geeking out on and what recommendations do you have for the listeners?

Evan Garcia: 00:38:33

What I'm geeking out on is we're still. We're still watching. We're still binging through Hell's Kitchen, and those are fun. This season that we're on, I think it's season 21 man.

It's like, I don't know. They, I don't know where they got all these chefs, but they got some crazy personalities and it, and it makes for a great show. Great show.

Joe Dea: 00:39:00

Okay, so mini rent. And this is what you guys tune in for. This is what you got. This is why you stayed at the end of the episode.

So that way you can hear the, the geeks pop off about things. If you haven't heard about my thoughts of being the chef, go back Thanksgiving Day episode, the bear ketchup.

You'll figure, you'll figure it out real quick. Okay, so Hell's Kitchen. I auditioned to be on Hell's Kitchen when I was a young chef, and I tried to punch Gordon Ramsay in the face. I did.

I just such a. Yeah, it's, it's, it's. He's such.

I understand that it's that personality, but at that point in time, I could not deal with even him playing the role and being that level of a prick in front of like, that is so aggravating to me at some point. And I bring it up because my wife and I are watching through season 20 of Hell's Kitchen, the Young Guns season.

That's actually, it's fascinating that you're, that you, you brought that up. So what am I, what am I getting Hell's Kitchen as well? And. Oh, it's so triggering, though, because there's so many bad habits.

Like, you sit there and scream at people in the middle of dinner service.

And you have a whole generation of chefs who watch it, who watch Hell's Kitchen and feel vindicated by that dude's piss poor behavior inside the kitchen. It's so annoying. But, yeah.

Evan Garcia: 00:40:36

And they think that's the way that, that, that, that should be. It's like, come on, guys.

Joe Dea: 00:40:41

Yeah, yeah.

So it, it's if, if you can turn your brain off and if you're not a byproduct of the restaurant business, then I would say go ahead and watch it, because it's ridiculous. It is absolutely. Like, they, they very clearly want to have the most outlandish personalities when win out the day.

It's not nearly as much about skill as it is personality and things like that. Right?

Evan Garcia: 00:41:10

It's real world.

Joe Dea: 00:41:12

Yeah, it's real world. It's real world. Except for, except for chefs. And you get a bunch of people together that have egos. Like, chefs have egos. That's.

That's bound to be a powder keg. And that's why the show's been around for 25 years if something ridiculous like that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Gordon Rent is a prick.

So that's my, that's my, my geeking out on is Hell's Kitchen and my recommendations would be. Yeah, that's, that's watch it. If that's your bag for, you know, drama, TV and all of that sort of jazz, it's, it's ridiculous.

So with that geeks, this is another one in the books. If you enjoyed listening to us, if you enjoyed that little snack size portion of Restaurants Hop, go back in the fleet, watch the bear episode.

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Evan Garcia: 00:43:04

Peace out.