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27th Jun 2025

Kronk's New Groove: The Zero Percent Mystery of Animation's Forgotten Sequel

This podcast episode delves into the cinematic exploration of "Kronk's New Groove," a film that has been critically relegated to a dismal 0% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. We embark on an analytical journey to uncover the redeeming qualities inherent in this ostensibly derided sequel, as we strive to discern the underlying themes and humor that may have eluded mainstream critics. Throughout our discourse, we illuminate the narrative's poignant exploration of community, familial expectations, and the intrinsic value of connection over societal approval. The discussion further reveals how the film diverges from traditional Disney messaging, advocating for personal contentment irrespective of conventional success metrics. As we unravel the layers of humor and heartfelt moments, we invite our audience to reconsider their perceptions surrounding this animated feature, ultimately asserting its merit as a noteworthy entry within the Disney canon.

The analysis of "Kronk's New Groove," a film that has garnered a dismal zero percent rating on Rotten Tomatoes, serves as a focal point for Joshua Noel and TJ Blackwell's discussion in this episode. They embark on an exploration of the film's narrative structure, character development, and the overall thematic elements that, despite its poor critical reception, may still resonate with audiences. The hosts delve into the premise of the movie, which chronicles the misadventures of Kronk, a character previously seen in the beloved "Emperor's New Groove." As they dissect the plot, they note its whimsical tone and the lighter, almost childlike humor that permeates the dialogue, contrasting it with the more mature themes often found in standard animated features. This juxtaposition raises intriguing questions about audience expectations and the criteria by which animated films are judged.

One of the salient features of the discussion is the recognition that the film, while not fitting the mold of traditional Disney classics, offers valuable lessons about community, acceptance, and the importance of personal fulfillment over societal approval. The hosts highlight the film's unique ability to convey a message that diverges from the conventional narratives centered around familial bonds and romantic pursuits. Instead, "Kronk's New Groove" champions the idea that happiness can be found in unexpected forms, particularly through the relationships one fosters within their community. The conversation culminates in a reflective consideration of how such themes resonate in contemporary society, particularly among younger audiences seeking validation beyond familial expectations.

Takeaways:

  • In this episode, we delve into the merits and shortcomings of the animated feature 'Kronk's New Groove', a film that has garnered a notably low score of zero on Rotten Tomatoes.
  • We discuss the premise of the film, wherein Kronk seeks approval from his father, which leads to a series of comedic yet heartfelt events involving deception and community support.
  • Despite its negative reception, we posit that 'Kronk's New Groove' offers valuable entertainment and humor, particularly through its clever dialogue and memorable character interactions.
  • The film diverges from typical Disney narratives by emphasizing themes of community and personal fulfillment over conventional familial or romantic success.
  • We highlight the film's ability to maintain a connection to its predecessor, 'The Emperor's New Groove', by retaining much of the original voice cast, thus enhancing its authenticity.
  • Ultimately, we assert that 'Kronk's New Groove' is an underappreciated sequel that deserves recognition for its humor and its unique messaging about happiness and fulfillment.

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Transcript
Joshua Noel:

What would you do for a thumbs up from your poppy? Well, guys, today we're gonna find out as we are discussing Krunk's New Groove as part of our Rotten Films summer Drive in series.

This year, we always do a series of quick little movie reviews during the summer with a different theme. And this year is Rotten. We're gonna be trying to find the good in films that were rated 30% or less on Rotten Tomatoes. Cronk's New Grove has a zero.

That's what we're talking about today.

If you want to see the rest of the movies that we've discussed that are part of the Rotten Films series, you can do that with a link down in the show notes. I am Joshua Null. Nobody cares about that. Except for. Because, like, some, like, half the.

More than half the time you hear Joshua Noel, you're like, I bet he's about to announce the greatest podcaster to ever podcast live, Breathe, or be thought of. The one and only T.J. tabby, Iris, Juan Blackwell. And you're right. I am welcome, tj.

TJ Blackwell:

Thank you.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah. All right, we're going to jump right into this one, tj. Imagine we just left the drive in.

We went together because, like, for some reason, somewhere in Greenville, they were like, yo, we're going to do a drive in film. And it's specifically Crunk's New Groove. That was never even in the theater. And we were like, hell, yeah.

So we went and watched it, we got in the car, we're leaving the drive in. You look at me and say, what?

TJ Blackwell:

I love that movie.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah. I just look at you and go, my head hurts. And it's absolutely. Because I'm chronically challenged.

Because that's probably the best thing that came from this film is just going, oh, you can't do that to them. They're chronically challenged.

TJ Blackwell:

Or I would say, wow, that's way too much money for a movie that short.

Joshua Noel:

True. I really, I'm excited about this. It also reminds me a lot of, like, of two different things.

One, it's like, okay, you could tell it's direct to video.

And it does this weird thing, I will say, where it kind of feels like it's written to a younger audience than the original film, which is kind of weird. But who cares?

TJ Blackwell:

I mean, it is. It's absolutely direct to video.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah. And it's absolutely like Kronk. Like, it's exactly what it advertised.

It's like, what if we did a movie just about Kronk from Emperor's New Groove, and it's pretty much exactly what you would expect if you heard that.

TJ Blackwell:

Mm, yep, it is. There is no false advertising involved anywhere.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah, not in the least.

TJ Blackwell:

It's Cronk's New Groove. It sure is.

Joshua Noel:

It also, it is a little bit like, to me, I think it does better job, but it reminds me of like the old Disney package films that happened during the World War era of Disney films, you know, where like it's like multiple stories in one. Except for like with this, it's like they're all. There's a continuity.

There's a reason that for all the different stories that building to something instead of just being, you know, we just made four short films instead of one long movie and given it to you as a movie, you know, like it still has like the connective tissue. Like it makes sense. So I feel like it's even better than some of those.

TJ Blackwell:

Yeah, I agree.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell:

I think this one Crocs New Groove, I would say is inoffensive, unlike some of the other Disney sequels.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah. Also really funny. But I'll give them a minute. I do want to do a summary. I was going to make TJ do it, but he hasn't seen it in a minute.

But I feel like, yeah, as I summarize this, he's going to remember stuff and be like, oh, that's right.

Effectively it starts off as a funnier version of the beginning of Emperor's New Groove where like Krunk's covered in cheese and he looks miserable and just kind of like, Kuzco was miserable as Llama. And you're like, that llama is me. So for in this, you know, Kunk's like, that's me.

And instead of being like, I was a lot better like a couple days ago, Krunk's like, you wouldn't believe this, but I had the perfect life just earlier that day. Like, he builds up how terrible his life is right now, but it used to be great earlier the exact same day.

TJ Blackwell:

Yep.

Joshua Noel:

Of course. Yeah.

TJ Blackwell:

And then I do think it also benefits a lot because unlike a good amount of the direct video sequels, pretty much the entire vocal cast comes back for Crocs New Groove.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell:

Which means we still get David Spade, Patrick Warburton, Earth, the kid.

Joshua Noel:

And it's super noticeable. You're like, oh, yeah, that's. You can't fake Patrick Warburton's voice.

TJ Blackwell:

No, you cannot.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah. Oh, man. So from there it kind of goes back to earlier in the day, what happened?

And it's basically just there's news that his dad's coming to town, and he's worried because he's been writing letters to his poppy and telling him about how he's got all the stuff that his Poppy thought was the perfect life that he always wanted for him. You know, a wife, kids, and a house on the hill. And he goes.

And he's like, I used to have all the stuff when I wrote to him, but I never told him that I lost it, and I've lost everything.

And of course, in the middle of his shift, working in a restaurant, which is also funny for me now, working at a restaurant, because, like, I know people who do this. Like, this is made as, like, a cartoon, like, exaggeration, but people definitely do this in restaurants.

We're like, actually, I'm gonna stop, not do my job and tell you my life story right now. Funny, but also.

So he goes through and he tells the story of, like, how he got a house on the hill, and it's because he was tricked by Yzma and ended up accidentally swindling a bunch of elderly out of their elderly home, literally selling snake oil. Hilarious. But he gave up that home. Gave it back to the elderly. Right? And then how he was.

When he was a camp counselor, he met another camp counselor who is the perfect woman for him, but he ended up losing her because he realized that he made a mistake, told a child something, they misinterpreted it.

And instead of letting the child take the blame so he could be with the girl because the child isn't going to really suffer consequences, according to. According to his devil on his shoulder, he was like, actually, instead, I'm still going to own up to what I did. And lost the girl.

He lost the kids when that he was, you know, with. With camp counselor and stuff. And he's sad flashback to the future.

He's in the restaurant, he convinces, accidentally convinces literally everyone to pretend to be his wife, and their house is his house. So his Poppy shows up. It's like, I'm his wife. No, I'm his wife.

And it's men dressed as women, women pretending to be his kids pretending to be adults, elderly people pretending to be his children so that he can pretend to his Poppy and get approval from his dad. Because everybody loves Kronk so much that, like, all he wants is a thumbs up from his papy.

Yeah, the whole town's gonna come together and pretend to be his family, and it'll result in a bunch of hijinks. Cheesemaker explodes, and he's like, dad, I know you're not gonna be proud of me, but I gave up everything for these people.

Cause these people mean more to me than anything. I wouldn't give up anything for them. And he's like, wait a minute. I actually mean that. I really wouldn't give up anything for them.

And then, of course, at the end, his puppy's like, well, you're missing one thing still. And you're supposed to think he's gonna be disappointed. And of course, he does his thumbs up and Crunk lives happily. Oh, also, the girl comes back.

Because while everybody else was like, oh, I'll know, dude. We'll help Kronk lie to his dad, one of the children is the only one smart enough to go, wait a minute. I'm the reason he lost the girl. Heck nah.

So what? Everybody else is doing all this stuff. One of the kids literally goes and finds that female camp counselor.

He's like, hey, there is a lot of confusion here. Some mistakes. She comes back, is with Cronk.

So, yeah, Crunk finds out he has the whole community there, and a child is the only one smart enough to help him get back with the girl that he loved. Oh, and his Poppy gave him a thumbs up, which is super important.

TJ Blackwell:

Yep.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell:

Yep. Completely necessary.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell:

Driving, motivation, even.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah. Also, the fondue night was his idea. Kronk's a genius.

TJ Blackwell:

Kronk is a genius.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah. That. That's all. I think that's one of my favorite things about Kronk.

Klunk and Pumbaa play similar roles at Disney films where, like, they're meant to be, like, the butt of the joke, the idiot of the group. But they're also definitely the smartest one in there a lot of the time.

TJ Blackwell:

I. I would not go that. That far.

Joshua Noel:

Different kinds of intelligence, like, Pumbaa knows that stars are burning balls of gas millions of miles away. That's crazy.

TJ Blackwell:

Yeah.

Joshua Noel:

Kronk absolutely just knows how to sell the elderly up an elderly home where they're going to be taken care of. It is the absolute best camp counselor and somehow learned how to speak squirrel.

TJ Blackwell:

That's true.

Joshua Noel:

And is a genius chef, apparently.

TJ Blackwell:

That is true.

Joshua Noel:

Just doesn't get credit for any of it.

TJ Blackwell:

That's actually a real Patrick Warburton talent. He can actually do that.

Joshua Noel:

He just talked to squirrels. Yeah, I like how. I knew you didn't mean he's an expert chef. Patrick Warburton down. I could assume he means chef.

I'm gonna assume he means talks to squirrels.

TJ Blackwell:

Yep.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah, Yep.

TJ Blackwell:

That wasn't in the script. He just started Doing it.

Joshua Noel:

Fantastic. Oh, man, I love Patrick Wilbert. Everything he's in is great. And we should. An episode of just him. We did Harrison Ford episode once.

Why not a Patrick Warburton? Anyway, yeah, I'm getting derailed. Tj, all this in mind, why do you think this film got such a low ranking? You got a zero.

Do you think it deserved it? And what's the best thing you think you can say about the film?

TJ Blackwell:

I don't think it deserved a zero, and I think it only got a zero because it has a low number of critic reviews.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah, me, too.

TJ Blackwell:

That is. I'm not saying it would be certified fresh or anything, but it would definitely.

If it had, you know, thousands of critical reviews, I think it would sit comfortably maybe, like, 35% on rotten tomatoes.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah. I mean, even the audience score is kind of low. I'm just shocked. I'm shocked that it's low at all, really.

Like, I don't expect it to be, like, one of the highest, but I'm like, all the actors are there. It's really well done. It is hilarious. Some of, like, the bits where he's talking about the. The elderly is like the chronologically challenged. The.

Like. He has all these different words, you know, those who. Who.

Who've got buckles for knuckles, for buckles for knees, you know, Even when he's describing, like, the girl that he meets and, like, he's like, oh, she's. He's, like, talking about how pretty she is. He's like, look at that jawline. It's a strong jaw. Look at those elbows. They're rough as leather.

And you're just like, I love. Like, I like.

How do you watch this and not, like, just out of sheer entertainment, you know, disregarding whether the story is good or not, just sheer entertainment. How do you not at least give it a 50, you know?

TJ Blackwell:

Yeah, I. I absolutely agree.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell:

I think Chronic's new groove is easily the funniest Disney sequel, bar none. Easily the funniest. And I just, you know, I. I like rodents.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah. The fact that I can't talk to squirrels. There's that.

And then the fact that Yzma was like, I have my perfect escape plan if they turn on me, turn myself into a bunny rabbit. No one could attack a bunny. They're too cute. Great comedy.

TJ Blackwell:

Master class. Master class of writing.

But, like, watching, you know, Kronk go through these things and Kronk fall in love and, you know, the Dance off and the Bake off, it's a good time. And you know, watching him mentor these little kids, you're like, oh, man. Okay, Kronk really deserves this.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah, well, and then, like, of course, it gets the happy end in the end and even gets the thumbs up. And some of that's kind of cheesy.

s through the:

And then this film, like, it decides to go outside of the grain of Disney messaging, is like, hey, actually, what if your life looks nothing like you expected? It doesn't necessarily have the perfect woman or any of that.

And maybe it's about your community and the fact that you're just connected to other humans. And if you're happy as a fried cook without a house on the hill, without a kid and a family, that's fine.

And, like, that's just not a message you heard from Disney back then.

So even, like, on the messaging front, I'm like, for me, it gets 50% just off the entertainment value, and then the messaging gives it an automatic 20. I'm starting at 70 when I rate this. Yeah, I don't know if it gets further than that.

It's not a very complex story or anything, but that's probably, like, that's the 70. It's 50%. It gets automatic for pure entertainment, just sheer laughs. And then the other 20 is like, man, the Messengene is actually really on point.

TJ Blackwell:

Yeah, I think. I think 70 is a good spot for it.

Joshua Noel:

Well, then there's nothing offensive to make it lose points. You know, none of the acting's bad, the writing's not bad. It's all inoffensive after that.

TJ Blackwell:

Well, there is something to be said about your. The taste, your sense of humor will have a lot to do with how funny you think the movie is. Cronk's girlfriend's name is Ms. Birdwell.

She calls Kronk Cronky Poo. And of course, naturally, that means Cronk is gonna call her Birdie Poo. That's hilarious.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah, it's great.

TJ Blackwell:

Unless you're old.

Joshua Noel:

And this is one of the few.

Like, for me, SpongeBob, Hercules, Shrek, most of my quotes come from those things, and I fully acknowledge, even if they're not my favorite, like, things you quote regularly for me tend to come from one of those. But, man, the amount of times that I'm like, wait, you can't use it. That's mine. See, it says on there, josh, Property of Josh.

Do not touch except for Josh. Like, I don't know why that bit specifically just ingrained in my brain forever. It's great, man. Yeah.

Well, then, even, like, the gags where he's like, my dad, he's always giving me one of these or one of these, and he's, like, doing the skull of this and the. The anger face of, you know, the sour face, and it's just so funny. Just the gags are also great.

All right, tj, if you had to choose a favorite joke, favorite character, and favorite scene from this movie, what would they be?

TJ Blackwell:

Okay. My favorite character is obviously Cronk. Easily.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah. Well, if you had to do a secondary, who would you pick?

TJ Blackwell:

Probably Ms. Birdwell. I like her a lot. She's got nice, tough elbows and a really strong jaw. Favorite scene is probably, like, the Bake off slash, Dance off slash.

Like, you know, they little get together there. That is. It's just super colorful and super fun. That's always stuck in my head.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell:

Favorite joke. I don't just. Every conversation with the squirrels is really funny. They play it completely straight. No one's ever like, why is he doing that?

Joshua Noel:

Yeah. Yeah, that's.

TJ Blackwell:

That's so funny to me.

Joshua Noel:

My favorite note's gonna get me in trouble because it's not okay in today's world. But I don't care. I'll get to that in a minute because I feel like I can't start with favorite joke, favorite character.

Obviously Kronk, which is why I was like, we had to do secondary. We can't just, like Kronk's new groove. It's about Cronk. Kronk's the best. It's true. But, like, that's boring to say.

Second one, I'm giving it to Rudy, the. The old man, because all you really see of him in the movie's funny.

In the first movies, like, he gets thrown off the castle because he threw off the Emperor's Groove. Such a classic movie.

But anyway, to find out, like, him and Krunk have this deep relationship and how Crunk feels so bad because he accidentally swindled him, and Crunk calls him his best friend and, you know, even his subconscious angel. And that's not your. It's like, yes, he is. And it's like, man, yeah. Cronk has this, like, meaningful relationship. Cronk, who's probably assumed.

I'm assuming he's like 20s or 30s. Elderly man is like, on death's doorstep, right? They just have this whole deep, meaningful relationship. And I'm like, that's just so cool.

And the fact that Rudy doesn't hold a grudge because, like, oh, hey, you were a part of swindling us is like, hey, yeah, Crunk, you just got manipulated and we still love you. And you're like my best friend.

And at the end of the movie, I'm going to pretend like I'm your child, even though I'm clearly like, more than twice your age. Also hilarious gag. It's good. Yeah. Favorite scene. Man, I'm gonna be cheesy.

My favorite scene is when the whole community shows up in support of Kronk because, like, even though he doesn't have a family, like, he just means so much to the whole community. And just to see a community that that's.

That's just closed like that and loves one another, I'm like, man, I wish we all live in the community like that. And it kind of touches me, even though that's sappy and lame, but I don't care. Favorite joke.

Chronic Challenge is hilarious, but the problematic one, I'm gonna go with what. What's is it? What's his name? It's not Pacha is. Is Pacha dresses up like a woman to pretend to be Crunk's wife.

And then because he gets trapped, it's like he already has someone, particularly his wife. He's like, oh, I'm his mother in law. And then to proceed to watch Kronk's Poppy hit on him the whole time. Yeah, I know. Cross dressing, trans stuff.

Like, there's a lot of problematic stuff. Why Disney wouldn't do that kind of joke now, but, man, it's just so funny.

TJ Blackwell:

It is funny that Poppy totally felt.

Joshua Noel:

Love for a dude.

TJ Blackwell:

Pacha is built like a barn.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah. Yeah. And it's so funny because, like, you also kind of get a sense that, like, that's kind of where Cronk gets his taste.

Because, you know, Cronk's like, oh, this one with a good strong jawline, leather elbows that his dad's like, oh, this woman's built like a bar. And I love it. It's great.

TJ Blackwell:

It's just like this huge broad.

Joshua Noel:

Dude, it's fantastic. Oh, man. So. So you would say people should definitely watch this movie.

TJ Blackwell:

Oh, absolutely. It is. It's short. It's not going to take that much time. If you liked Empress New Groove at all, this is probably worth it.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah. And there's just.

There's a lot of, like, what I would call TJ humor, where it's like just quick, dry one liners, like, if you're paying attention, because it's not, like, exaggerated. When he's like, bird. Birdie poo. Like, he doesn't exaggerate it. If you're not paying attention, you'll just miss that immediately.

Yeah, there's just a lot of lights like that where, like, he's talking about the older people and he's like, chronologically challenged. They have buckles for knees. They have, like. They don't stop for humor and they just keep going. Like. That's totally ordinary stuff to say.

So, like, you really got to pay attention, I feel like, to get all the humor. But it's great.

TJ Blackwell:

It is. It is great. I think, really. The entire Emperor's New Groove, like, sweet.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell:

You know, like New School, Cronk's New Groove. They're all severely underrated.

Joshua Noel:

Oh, for sure. That was the other thing I was gonna say is like, the other thing that I actually do really appreciate.

A lot of times when Disney do these, like, direct to video films and they know they're about to do a show, the film is really just like a big pilot for the show and it feels like a wasted opportunity a lot of the time. This why they didn't do that at all. Like this, like. Yeah, it helps if you watch the show, but, like, you don't need it for the show.

TJ Blackwell:

Yeah. It is interesting because that a lot of the criticisms people levy against Cronk's New Groove is that it feels like one of those.

That it's, you know, segmented sort of. I forget the name, I forget the word.

Joshua Noel:

I forget me to package film.

TJ Blackwell:

No, sure, that works. Not what I was gonna say, but it feels like it's just several disconnected stories loosely tied together is what a lot of people say. And it's not.

And Disney has been known to do that when they. Yeah, what. What they'll do is they'll make the first few episodes of a show, they'll test poorly, and then they'll just release them as a movie.

And that's not what happened here.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah.

TJ Blackwell:

Because like, the show, they had a.

Joshua Noel:

Whole show and it's all about Cusco.

TJ Blackwell:

Yes.

Joshua Noel:

Cusco is barely in this.

TJ Blackwell:

It's pretty good, too. Yeah. Emperor's New School.

Joshua Noel:

I love the show and I do it like, I feel like the show also just kind of proves that this movie was meant to be what it is. I also do think A lot of, like, people's problem might be expectations and like, two different versions of that.

Like, they go in expecting it to be a Disney classic film, like in person who grew. And it's not that it's never going to be that when it's a direct to video because they don't have the budget for that.

They're not going to hire the same quality writers and everything. Right.

And then the other side of that is like, I feel like a lot of people go in, like, hating the direct to video movies and are just looking for a reason to hate it. And I'm like, man, you just gotta pull a tj, just watch it for what it is. And I think it's great.

TJ Blackwell:

Yeah, most of them are worse than this.

Joshua Noel:

That's true. Very few. Lion King and Toy Story sequels are pretty much the only ones better.

TJ Blackwell:

Yeah. None of the Toy Story sequels were even direct to video.

Joshua Noel:

That's true. Lion King is the only directive video sequel that I'm like. The Aladdin ones are also okay. But I still feel like I like this one better.

TJ Blackwell:

No.

Joshua Noel:

Oh, you don't like the Aladdin one?

TJ Blackwell:

I think Jafar is awful.

Joshua Noel:

Return of the Jafar is not my favorite. I like it when it's in Kingdom hearts 2. The King of Thieves I thought was pretty entertaining though.

But that's because it felt more like a sequel to the show than it did another movie.

TJ Blackwell:

Yeah.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah. Anyway, anything else to say about Crunk's new groove, Squirrely comments, anything like that?

TJ Blackwell:

No.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah, I think I'm good too. It's just. Yeah, it's a good show. Movie's good movie. Yeah, check it out.

So since it does talk about the societal norms, trying to get approval from his dad and from others, that kind of stuff, I want to touch on this a little bit because, like, as people who go to church, sometimes that stuff's helpful. We rely on some church tradition, right? Because we're like, okay, this is why we do communion.

We do this and we trust that because it's built and people done it for a long time and it's useful. And I think some societal norms are useful because, hey, this is what's worked for other people.

So I think it's important not to just dismiss societal norms and do whatever you want. But I also feel like it's clearly harmful when we try to say you have to live according to how everybody else is doing stuff.

So I guess just want to ask tj, how do we know when societal norms are helpful tools for us when we're Using them that way or when we're holding ourselves to a standard that we don't need to be holding ourselves to.

TJ Blackwell:

I think it's difficult when a societal norm is something you're expected to be. People expect you to do this and that, and they're weighing that against you. I think that's not beneficial. Generally speaking.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah. I kind of feel like societal norms, traditions, whatever you want to call them, it's like a hammer.

I feel like you can use it to build or you can use it to harm. It can be a little bit of both. It is helpful sometimes to look at, like, what did my parents do? How did they make their relationship work?

Or what did the church do the last thousand years that led it to flourish during World War II? Even different times, it's helpful to look at that stuff and then build what we have now off of what worked before.

It's not helpful when, like, man, I feel like I have to be in the computer because my dad was in computers and I just don't like computers, you know?

TJ Blackwell:

Like, you know, that's my thing about it is you will have professional athletes. Wayne Gretzky's children. You know how many of Wayne Gretzky's children play hockey?

Joshua Noel:

Half of them.

TJ Blackwell:

I think it's one.

Joshua Noel:

How many does he have?

TJ Blackwell:

Three.

Joshua Noel:

Oh, okay.

TJ Blackwell:

Don't quote me on that, but his daughter married a golfer. None of their kids play hockey.

Joshua Noel:

How sad. But, like, yeah, I mean, I think that's just it. It's.

Are you using it to look to see how you might want to build it up or are you using it or is it being used in a way to make you feel guilty or bad about who you are?

TJ Blackwell:

Yeah.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah. If it's helping inspire you and giving you guidelines, cool. Is it making you feel bad and tearing you down? Not cool.

Feel like that's a pretty simple test.

TJ Blackwell:

Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that.

Joshua Noel:

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But first, tj, I need to know what treat or snack would people maybe not think of for a drive in movie that actually might be the perfect snack? They just haven't thought of it yet.

TJ Blackwell:

Probably a roast. A chuck roast. You got to hear me out. Okay, so you need to have a little bit bigger of a car, right? You need to roast it?

Yeah, probably the day before.

Unless it's a really late, drive in and you just take it in that cheap aluminum pan, you take a couple of forks and you put that roast right in the center console and you just pick off the roast.

Joshua Noel:

Oh, okay. I like that. Actually. At first I was like, he's just trying to come up with something silly.

I was like, actually, that could work, depending on how far away you are. Because, like, I don't want your food to get cold.

But I'm thinking, like, if I make some like, pulled pork barbecue and like a big thing of Mac and cheese, like just like a bucket mixed it in, I could just sit there, like, that's just a good comfort munch food. And I think that would be great.

TJ Blackwell:

I was also thinking caramel corn. That seems too easy, though.

Joshua Noel:

Yeah, yeah, that's true. Also, cheez its. For some reason, I just don't see people eating cheese. It's theaters that often, but I'm like, I feel like that's great.

TJ Blackwell:

I think cheese popcorn is just great.

Joshua Noel:

That might be it. I don't know. But anyway, guys, let us know what you think. What's a. What's a unique food? You think it'd be great for a drive in?

You can comment on Spotify now. So you. You can let us know wherever you want. Rate and review this show, if you will, on podchaser or Spotify Apple podcast, I guess either one.

And check out again the show notes down below the description. If you want the playlist to the whole Rotten Films summer Drive in series and check out what other movies we've discussed.

And remember, of course, we're all a chosen people. A geekdom, a priest later.

TJ Blackwell:

Don't.

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Priests to the Geeks
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