Is it really a "Brave New (World" Under Doom)?

Joshua Noel: 00:01:11

Will Sorcerer Supreme Doom usher it in for Marvel Comics? Or will it just be another rehashed comic event? Did the MCU do anything new with Captain America? Can anything new really be done with Indiana Jones? Or are we just repeating the same old stories? In this what's News episode, we're going to be asking if there really is anything new under the sun.

Can't wait for this one. It's going to be a ton of fun if you are watching live. So far there isn't anyone watching live yet.

But if you do jump on, you want to shout out where you're coming from, we will post it up there. Show everyone where our listeners are at right now. For now though, we'll introduce ourselves. I am Joshua Null.

I'm a guy who really likes Captain America. I don't think much else needs to be said. You know, I'm working on my master's in Christian theology and master's legal studies.

But I like Captain America and I'm here with my pastor, the one and only Will the thrill from Chapel Hill will rose. How's it?

Will Rose: 00:02:13

Endless. It's, it's going man.

Life is full a lot of spinning plates when it comes to fandoms, when it comes to geeking out on things, when it, when it comes to like family obligations, when it comes to shepherding healthy but somewhat large congregation of people who you know, don't necessarily see what's going on the world as, as brave or new but some, some, some things going on in the world that have them a little, a little scared and timid and nervous, low anxiety out there with the world and, and we're here to help guide and manage and shepherd and be a non anxious presence and help process these things. And so I'm glad to do this podcast with you, Joshua.

Man, it's good to be back in the saddle geeking out about a movie that you know that I, I was so happy to go and see and, and have some popcorn and, and geek out and have fun. So I can't wait to go do some geekology with it. Yeah.

Joshua Noel: 00:03:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, hey shout out. We had Jonathan Augustin and Wiggle Babies say hey to us over on YouTube. We appreciate you guys.

We especially appreciate Jonathan for, for a few reasons. One of them isn't just because he's listening now shouted us out but also I even have it on our little on my outline here.

I'm supposed to thank all of our supporters on Patreon Captivate in Apple podcast, do a special shout out to one of our patrons who is Jonathan Augustin? Thank you, Jonathan.

Will Rose: 00:03:45

That's the one. Oh, my God. He created that before he hopped on live. Yeah.

Joshua Noel: 00:03:48

That was awesome.

Will Rose: 00:03:48

There it is. There is. There is a quantum entanglement going on right now.

Joshua Noel: 00:03:52

Oh, yeah. And if you guys want your own shout outs, make sure you jump over there on one of those three platforms. Apple, podcast, Captivate or Patreon.

$3 a month and you can get your own shout outs on the show. And I think it's a lot of fun. Personally, I enjoy doing it.

Will Rose: 00:04:05

So I like hearing my name. I like hearing.

Joshua Noel: 00:04:07

Yeah, yeah, it's great. It's great. And without. With all that, without further ado, we're. We're going to jump into some of the fun here.

We have a lot to talk about and not a lot of time. So we got to start with the lightning round. I am. You know, it's weird one for me. I just moved into my house, so I'm not doing a lot of new stuff.

I'm catching up on a lot of old stuff, though. I actually got a Steam deck for my birthday, so I've downloaded a bunch of video games.

One of them we're going to talk about today as like an actual new game, but a lot of them are old games. You know, playing some of the old Kingdom Hearts, Ratchet and Clank. I actually just.

Just for Will's sake, downloaded the original copy of Chain of Memories because they redid the song when they remastered Where's Chain of Memories, Kingdom Hearts, and now I forgot what I was saying. Give me a second.

Will Rose: 00:05:01

Okay.

Joshua Noel: 00:05:02

And okay. Yeah, yeah. They did the song when they remastered the game for other platforms and it's not as good.

So now I have the Game Boy version on my Steam deck and can hear the original version of the song and it makes me happy. But as far as most of my new stuff is going to be stuff I'm looking forward to.

There's a lot of comics, you know, hunger and the dust is going to be coming back. We got more ice cream man to look forward to the Godzilla Marvel stuff coming out soon.

I've been enjoying Hyde street, so really excited to see where that goes. But one thing I do want to especially shout out that I just finished geeking out on last episode aired on Valentine's Day. Dexter Original sin.

I love the Dexter series. Not a huge fan of the sequel series, but this was a prequel series. Had a lot of fun.

I think Will would have at least appreciated how it definitely highlighted what's the difference of a hero and a villain when you have the same trauma, do you decide you want to prevent someone else from that trauma or make people suffer the way you did? And man it was a lot of fun. I'll probably harp on that more later on some other things but Lightning round what do you what's what's new what's.

Will Rose: 00:06:09

New with Will Rose new I will say that I some of the things I've been geeking out on and Lightning round what's new with me is we're going to talk about here on this episode MCU movies, some comics.

I will say I'm a huge Saturday Night Live fan And so this 50th anniversary that just came out and the three hour Saturday night Live last night as of recording this I geeked out so hard. I loved I love the history of Saturday Night Live. I think Saturday Night Live helped curate some of my own.

Definitely had a major impact on my own sense of humor. What I find funny for better or worse.

But I I'm a huge sign out live and improv and sketch comedy fan and the up to the 50th anniversary and watching it last night I couldn't have been more happy and I thought they did great. So much fun, a lot of nostalgia but also a lot of funny things. So that's that that's for me. And the World Surf League has started.

They've been two contests pipeline and then they did a contest in at a wave pool in the Middle East. You can look it up. It's so fun and been watching those and I was on our friend friend of the show Ryan does.

I was on his podcast Skipping Church ironically on a day when I was helping my mom back homes actually skipping church. I only get like four a year. This one was like to help family and while I skipped church I was able to talk with Ryan about surfing.

So if you want to hear my hot takes on surfing and philosophy around it and what it means to me and some funny stories around it, go check out Skipping Church with Ryan do. That was a lot of fun.

Joshua Noel: 00:07:44

Yeah yeah. I got to talk about Indiana Jones on there too which is a fun, fun tie in. And Ryan was on our show to prepare for a movie.

We're going to talk about here in a little bit but for now that does it for our lightning round. So we're going to jump into some of our main topics today.

I'm going to start with a light one that will I don't think knows anything about as far as I'm aware we're going to be Talking some about Indiana Jones and the great Circle. This video game, it is, I think, considered canon. It takes place between Raiders of the Lost Ark and. And the Last Crusade.

Oh, gosh, it is so much fun. It is a truly wild ride as far as things go. And it's like a callback. You turn it on, you hear that music and you're like, oh, man. Yeah.

Yeah, this is Indiana Jones. It was phenomenal. I'm going to break down some of the plot but not get too much into it. So again, this is what's new.

So spoilers are aplenty for these. So shenanigans happen. I'm just gonna start all. All the beginning is now just shenanigans. That's how I'm summarizing the beginning of the plot.

But then Indiana Jones sees certain of the biggest religious iconic places, like the Vatican. Yeah, you travel to the Vatican in this game. All line up to make a perfect circle around the world.

And there's this whole kind of myth and whatever around it. You find out some of the stuff has been happening before the places were actually constructed, like the Vatican. There was a.

There was a stone there before the Vatican existed, apparently.

So you're going around so you could see a bunch of the other different religious stuff, which what I've loved about Indiana Jones, it does like a nice. Like here's world religion, not presented well, but presented fun, you know, travel the world.

Do some architects see different religions, have fun with that. You learned that Nephilim are real and they are giants and they work for the Catholic Church. You also, you also.

The big thing at the end, this is the spoiler. The reveal at the end is phenomenal. The great circle, why it exists. God himself gave Noah. That's right, the Noah. The power of the great circle.

So that he could teleport wherever he wanted across the world to get two of each kind of animal for the ark. That's how we did it. The great circle was the power that let Noah do this. Of course, bad guy gets power. You have some fun. Karate fight.

Because this is a video game, you need to have the final boss fight. But, you know, you have a lot of fun with this. You get to set things right. At one point, he does say, that belongs in a museum.

It's what he does, you know, so you rehash a lot, but you also kind of react. Some of those video game tropes, the final boss fight, collecting stone, stone, you know, that kind of stuff. I really had a lot of fun with it.

The main reason man, it was so great. So great. The main reasons I want to bring it up though, especially today, because we're talking about, like, is anything actually new?

Harrison Ford himself saw some of the scenes in this game and said that this game is proof that you don't need AI to steal his soul. End quote. And I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing or what. You know, like, it's like, what, what. What are we supposed to.

What are we supposed to do with that Mr. Harrison Ford? You know? Wow. It was though. It was. It was like him. It was like you're. It was. They had the voice actor. Wasn't him.

But you're going through. It's like, ah, you could have convinced me. This is Indiana Jones. And you know, I could see where this is the future of the Indiana Jones franchise.

Harrison Ford won't live forever. But we can keep making Indiana Jones games kind of like the old Tomb Raider games or like the Nathan Drake games.

And it's like, oh, I can keep living in this world. But then it's also kind of like, is it ever the same if it's not Harrison Ford or does it. Does it die with him? Or can it continue in this other way?

You know, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Can there be Indiana Jones without Harrison Ford? Will.

Will Rose: 00:11:54

It'd be hard to replace that legacy character. I agree. It's hard to do that without him. To recast him to someone who looked like him. It would be really hard.

But I do think in terms of comics and stories and books and video games, we can capture that image. I think there's a wealth of stories to tell. The adventures of Indiana Jones, the.

Joshua Noel: 00:12:17

All.

Will Rose: 00:12:18

All this stuff like his, his legend was before him. Even before Raiders of Lost Ark, he was known. He's a professor. People knew who he was. That. That was just some.

You know, you start in the middle of the story like, just like George Lucas did with Star Wars. There's a lot that happened before then. How.

Yeah, there was a young Indiana Jones storyline and TV show you can recast with a younger one because you look different. But I. I don't know. It's hard to do it without him. It might land maybe. May think there's a wealth of stories to find a way to share this.

So you're saying that God showed up in this video game? Like God shows up or just like the legend of. The storytelling of it?

Joshua Noel: 00:12:52

Yeah. You don't see God. It's. It's just told to you that's how the great circle exists, because God made it for Noah to get the animals.

Will Rose: 00:13:00

Yeah.

Joshua Noel: 00:13:01

But you do see these giants because, you know, things are fun to fight in games. That was my thing, is, yeah, you'll never replace Harrison Ford.

But this felt just as much like I'm living an Indiana Jones adventure as anything, you know? And that's where I'm like, I like this. I like this continuation where I can keep seeing more stories in the. In the games.

But also, like, it was a little bit weird, right? Because, like, this is the same old, same old. I'm fighting Nazis, I'm fighting, you know, the Russians.

I'm fighting, you know, the same old, same old kind of thing. But at the same time, the stuff they did new, I'm like, I don't. I don't know if I like that.

I don't know if I like that there's real giants in Indiana Jones. Like, I don't know, because, like, it seems like most people are unaware of the supernatural stuff in this. Like, it happens once in a while.

It's like some weird. We're not sure how it happened, you know, and then, like, that final boss fight. The guy is just. Has superpowers. And of course, the thing.

Eventually, he can't handle it all, and it is what kills him because that's how all Indiana Jones movies end.

Will Rose: 00:14:01

Well, I. You know, there is a supernatural aspect where there's Raiders or, you know, even the Last Crusade.

And you just talked about Temple Dune, your favorite one. They're supernatural things that happen of, like, hearts being ripped down and done. I don't know. I think there's a supernatural element of, like.

Oh, my gosh. That it. Whether it was aliens or.

Or a dial of destiny and time travel, there's definitely supernatural stuff that happens in the Indiana Jones where even though he's a man of science and archaeology, and therefore, for the history of it all, there's definitely some supernatural metaphysics going on that you're kind of like, you can lean into. So the idea of, yeah, giants might be something else.

But then, you know, there was also aliens on one, and there was also someone being healed by a chalice. So.

Joshua Noel: 00:14:49

Yeah, yeah, that's true. I mean, they've done weird stuff before. I think what it was is, like, this just felt so. Because we did travel the whole globe.

It felt like the whole world was at stake. And I'm like, it's Indiana Jones. Like, it's not actually at stake. I know what happens. And also, why would this never be brought up again.

Why was India like, oh, no, I got this fight. I've fought Nephilims before, you know, like, why did that never come up?

Will Rose: 00:15:13

That's a weird biblical poll. That's a weird biblical poll for a video game.

Joshua Noel: 00:15:16

Yeah, Joe just like, oh, I've beat a few Nephilim, but just doesn't bother mentioning that during any of these other fights we've seen in the movies. Like, I don't know, man. I might be, you know, bragging about that one a little bit. Catholic church should probably be afraid of Harrison Ford.

He could just straight up beat your Nephilim.

Will Rose: 00:15:36

Well, and I also think that's an element the same way, like, within, like, the Marvel Universe or whenever you have somebody who's like, quote unquote, man of science or woman of science, and they're skeptic towards the supernatural, and they've seen big supernatural things happen in the universe in the next story, they still act that way. You're kind of like, dude, that seems like my world would be rocked. Like, why would he be surprised that a chalice could heal somebody?

Or the dialogue? Like, he's seen a lot of crazy stuff. So be open to, like, the possibility of these things happening.

Joshua Noel: 00:16:05

Well, yeah, and that's. That's one of the things they. I feel like they actually did good in the. The Star wars sequel series that we. We like to not mention most of the time.

Will Rose: 00:16:13

Right.

Joshua Noel: 00:16:16

That Ford showed up and was like, sorry, all of his characters are Harrison Ford. I. Yeah, it just is what it is. You know, he showed up. It's all real, and it's like, oh, okay. Like, that makes sense.

Instead of him being like, I'm still not sure about this force thing. Like, that would have. That wouldn't have made sense.

Will Rose: 00:16:32

So I like that the whole, like, it's all true, all this stuff. The conversion of Han Solo to skeptic. I've never seen anything in the universe, blah, blah, blah, to now. Like. Like, yeah, I've seen lots of stuff.

It's all true. Or even look at, you know, that's not how the first works. This. What are you thinking? Like, I've seen. I've seen my best friend do this, so I.

Yeah, I think Indy, but, yeah, I love that. Oh, man, that character is so good. Indy's. Yeah. In my top 10 favorite characters of all time. So there's a wealth of storytelling you could happen.

There's some tropes you want to keep. There's some adventure, you know, like a James Bond movie or.

Joshua Noel: 00:17:08

I actually do, like, that the boss defeated himself. It's kind of fun.

Will Rose: 00:17:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joshua Noel: 00:17:14

I can't wait till my Indiana Jones poster will be on this wall behind me and all will be right in the world again. But, yeah, I. Yeah, yeah. I like where you're going with it. I like the idea of him sticking around. I'm just.

I struggle a little bit, you know, as all things where I'm like, do I want to see more new or do I want to just be happy with what we have? It's a. It's a hard line. It's a hard line. But I'm happy to do it with Dr. Jones personally.

So I will complain every new entry and then be thrilled about it by the time next entry comes out that I can complain about, because that's what good fans do.

Will Rose: 00:17:55

And we'll do it here in a little bit. Oh, yeah. We'll keep this train. Right. That's what fans do, you know? I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

When you're a super fan of something, if they don't do exactly what you want with the stories in your head or handle character, you're. You're kind of close to it. And so, yeah, you have your. It's natural to have your gripes. Yeah.

Joshua Noel: 00:18:53

Well, we are going to talk about another Harrison Ford film, though.

Will Rose: 00:18:56

Here he is.

Joshua Noel: 00:18:57

Here we are. Captain America, Brave New World. I can't. I don't know if I can say how much I loved this personally. We'll get into that in a minute.

First, do you want to spoiler everybody? Spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, spoiler. You heard the word. Enough will break down the plot. What happens in Captain Brave New World?

Will Rose: 00:19:24

Okay, so Brave New World is almost an immediate sequel to the Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Disney TV show series streaming. So Sam is Captain America. He has his. A new sidekick, the Falcon. There's been a presidential election who happens to be Thaddeus and Harrison Ford.

Because of actors dying and passing away and bringing on new ones, he stepped into recasting. Talk about recasting Indiana Jones. Well, recasted Thaddeus. And so you have a new president. And new, I guess, is.

I guess you can't say immediate sequel. But the time has passed and so he's now leaning into being Cap and what. What that means for. For him.

Captain America and the world responding to someone who's not Steve Rogers being Captain America, but he's been brought in to stop something that's going on in what. What. So there's something that's sort of Explained the whole movie is going to be hard for me to do. I'm just going to say watch the movie.

But there is political ramifications.

And this superhero who literally wears an American flag, being invited from the President, United States to come be on their team and has the hope of starting the Avengers again and working together to make the world a safer place. And of course, this, this Captain America. Sam is skeptical what that would look like.

Who's going to be in control after a big civil war among superheroes and a registration act. And when things go wrong or the government is not doing what they're supposed to be doing, are they going to listen to them or not?

Who's going to be the one running this show or not? And so things escalate. It's also ties into the first and original Incredible Hulk movie. This, not necessarily the mcu, but so.

Joshua Noel: 00:21:31

If, if you have mcu.

Will Rose: 00:21:33

Yeah, it's mcu. So I think they're leaning into a lot of different things. Help. Help me out with this.

I will say that like, for someone going in cold, it is a solid Captain America, Jason Bourne action thriller movie. But if you haven't seen Incredible Hulk, the original one, the first one, if you haven't seen. Or the other.

Yeah, the Edward Norton or the Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Disney plus. I wonder how much you would be able to know what's going on in the backstory and some of this history.

Joshua Noel: 00:22:05

Yeah, no, I watched it with my father in law and he doesn't know most of the MCU stuff. Didn't watch the show or anything. And he really enjoyed it.

So that for me is a plus if someone's able to watch it without all the other stuff and enjoy it.

Will Rose: 00:22:16

Cool.

Joshua Noel: 00:22:17

There was definitely stuff. He was like, what was that weird thing in the ocean? You know, he was like, I don't understand what happened to the one guy. Why is he.

He keeps talking about how the government experimented on him. I was like, oh, something for the show. He's like, oh, okay. You know, you don't need to know all that stuff. It's still kind of.

I feel like it still makes sense, but it definitely does lean heavy into it, which is one of the things that just. I am really frustrated with fans of this movie.

And Will said one of the things that's been frustrating me when we were talking the other day because people are complaining a lot about stuff that they've been asking for and that's what irritates me. I hear a lot of you like, well, you had to watch Eternals for this to make sense.

Y'all have literally been constantly flooding the Internet with, well, how did this thing die in the ocean? There's nothing that happened in the MCU about it. Well, now it's here and you're complaining about it. What do you mean?

Will Rose: 00:23:06

Right, right.

Joshua Noel: 00:23:08

Yeah. So it's just there's so much stuff that I was like, what?

The line that Will said that irked me that other people said is like, well, I wish it was braver and newer. And I'm like, well, I can't point to any time this has been done before in the MCU anyway.

And I feel like some of the moves they did, calling out both of our last presidents also, and how the villain was really defeated. I thought it was really brave moves. Personally, I'm a big fan of them. But I want to hear your take. I'm not just responding to you.

It's one of those Evan shout out Adamantium. You know, it's one of those like. Like you hear like what all of the I don't have good words words for this toxic fans are saying online.

And you don't want to put that on people who are like, have genuine concerns. The same thing happened with the Lord of the Rings show that I'm having Rings of Powers things out with that.

There's a lot of people with legitimate concerns, but anytime someone brought up concern, they got lumped in with the toxic fans that were like, sure, but there's no black elves. Okay, let's not do that. Let's assume that the people have legitimate things. Yeah, I have exactly one grape with this film and that's it.

Will Rose: 00:24:17

Well, I can't wait. That will lure people to let. You'll save that for the. For the end, I think. I think for me, I did love how they pulled the. From the threat.

Different threads of the mcu, whether it's incredible Hulk, some other villains, Eternals, these world ramification stuff that's going on out there, you know, they. They allude to that. Like, half the population was go, they're back. And they have. They have a new world they have to establish. They.

I like the fact there's going to be more Avengers movies. Do they lean into we need to get the Avengers back together. What does that look like? I love Sam as Cap. I think he's a great character.

He does great things. I like. He has a new sidekick, a new Falcon that they can. They can team up and do some things as. As Evan talked about Antimandium. I love that.

That thread of oh, I know that word that comes from the X Universe. Oh, boy. All right. I know who's connected to that. There's. There's a Wolverine out there somewhere.

Or how does this tie into this particular timeline and multiverse version of the Marvel. Marvel Universe? That's not with the time variant authority. So I think I love the threads that they pulled.

I guess for me, when I was like, man, I wish it would lean in harder to the braver and newer. There were some. There were some things here that was like, it's a solid Captain America movie. He does a solid job.

I had fun in this movie there, but I just wanted it to be braver when it comes to some of the political tensions and race, which was there. But I just want to take a step further.

And then with the new, I'm glad it was fun, but I wanted to see them pull even more ahead to what these next Avengers may look like. The end credits scene that I waited for, I was like, that's it. Just someone's like, oh, there's other worlds. But we knew that.

I was like, where's the cameo? Where's the. Like, this is what that could look like. Like, we're. We have a Thunderbolts movie. We have a Fantastic four. I know Dr.

Doom's coming right around the corner. They, they. They spoiled who Dr. Doom is at San Diego Comic Con. And I was ready for them to build on that.

Why do I have to wait another three years to what? That or two years, whatever. I was like, not that I was expecting to see Robert Downey Jr. On this, but a little bit more braver and newer to turns.

Like, this is a grander MCU next phase that we're going to get into rather than what could have been, I think another like, streaming series on. On Disney plus that would have been solid and fine. So that's kind of understand. Put it back in the theater and get people in the seats.

But for me, that's kind of where it was. And again, this is like B plus A minus movie that, you know, some of the editing. I could pick some of the cgi, some of the stuff there's like, I.

The tropes are there. I was like, oh, you know, it's. I loved Red Hulk. I. I loved Harrison Ford as, as the President man. His acting was so good. When.

When he passes away, I mean, he's in his 80s. It's gonna happen. That's going to be a national tragedy. But I, I think he. Everybody was fantastic in this movie except.

Except the main, Main Villain was a little. No, somewhat subpar a little bit for me or could have been a little bit braver. I don't know. That's kind of where. Where I was.

So it's not that it wasn't a good movie. I just wanted to see them just go take one step further into. To that. But I understand if.

If they wanted to play it somewhat safe for a general audience and. And they needed to win and they need to do something. But yeah, I don't understand the. The critics who are like, really hard on this.

I think some of people are triggered by people with brown skin doing certain roles. And that's why you get like Rings of Power and. And this and some of the race swapping stuff on. On Spider man cartoons.

People are like, oh, why are we. Why are we doing. But anyway, representation is important.

Joshua Noel: 00:28:07

So there you go. I have three running theories on my critics, and some people don't like it. One of the big ones is, yeah, because Sam is black.

But to address what you said first, though, I get the end credits. Like, if I was grading the end credits, it would be a much lower score.

But I don't hold the credits or end credits stuff against the movie because that doesn't, you know, I just.

I'm gonna push back a little bit on your wish they were braver about the race thing because they referenced it and they already told that story in the show. And I think in Brave New World, you don't rehash the same story. You don't rehash the same ideas.

What I thought was really brave, that they did do politically, not only did they call both presidents out, I'm gonna get to that. I love that they told a message that made, I think, everyone uncomfortable if you bother thinking about it.

And that's part of one of my three theories. One of my theories is Sam is black. People didn't like that. One of my theories is people didn't like that. They didn't say the message you wanted to.

You know, a lot of people on my camp went to this hoping that there was going to be something about the Superhuman Registration act and, you know, immigration or one of these progressive points dei, something that we really care about. Like. And it wasn't there. And I think a lot of people were disappointed that the message I wanted wasn't there. Right.

I think a lot of people on the other side was like, oh, well, he, you know, they didn't show that secretly, you know, Republicans are good, or, you know, they didn't show any kind of thing what they did instead was make both sides upset. And I also had to think about it. Like, part of this is because the movie was being created a long time ago.

So addressing DEI and stuff like that, there was no way they were going to do that. It was already made. Yeah. But what they did is say, hey, look, here is one side of this.

And I think, for better or worse, they showed where the country is divided. They didn't show who was which side. They showed the country is divided.

And at the end of the day, it is more important that we look past these things and come together. And that is a thing that makes both sides really mad. Right now. Republicans don't want to hear.

Well, maybe you should hear the other side out about dei. They don't want to hear that. They don't want to look for the good in the other, as Sam Wilson and our podcast says. Yes.

Sam Wilson endorsed our annual theme of looking for the good in the other. Thank you, Captain America, for introducing our show. But, you know, people, they don't want to hear that.

And a lot of people on my side are like, well, I don't want to hear that. Maybe there's good reasons people are concerned about immigration and government spending. We don't want to hear that.

We want to be mad at the other side and fight. And I think we have a lot of really good reasons to fight.

I'm going to keep fighting, but I actually love that this movie said we're going to be brave enough to say this message. It's going to actually just make everybody mad. And.

And they said it, and I was like, man, okay, I'm not sure I agree with you, but, hey, you went for it. Also, the president thing, because there's not a lot to talk about it. What you do see is Harrison Ford very clearly losing his.

He's facing his finitude, as our good friend Aaron Simmons would say, and probably should not have been president, but did not want to step down. And they made that very clear that that's what was happening. And you're like, okay, Disney.

And then they were like, oh, also, this person is going to be responsible for an attack on the Capitol. And you're like, okay, Disney, I see what you did there. I see you get a little bit of both sides, but, you know, and.

Will Rose: 00:31:33

The choice to make him Red Hulk, I think, is a good choice. I like the villain part of that.

The other things, I guess, for me, I know they created this movie and edit this movie and did all the hard work for this movie. The election last last November.

And it's going to have those overtones and it's going to carry some weight for past choices they made in other movies and try to like, either rebrand it a little bit or bring you up to speed with that or kind of move forward with those things in the. In the larger world. For me it is.

I think the reason our people is getting some mixed reviews is but it's hard not to watch this movie through the lens of what's going on in the last three weeks, in the last month or two. And, and that's not the movie's fault, but it's kind of where we are as a nation, is where people are in their fand those kind of things.

I guess for me, I have no problem with all those critiques and things that you said are like, yeah, valid points and you may convert me, you may change my opinion. I guess there was the braver newer wanted to see the grand.

Here's your chance to do another phase of a larger MCU universe, which you did with some little points here and there, whether it's Eternals or Animanium or, you know, mentioning getting the Avengers back together. I just want to see a little bit more collaboration, maybe through cameos, maybe some bigger leaps to enlarging this universe.

Moving forward to there's going to be an Avengers Doomsday movie coming up at some point.

They're going to start filming in March and so it's hard for me not to let go of the end credit scene as hard of the the choices of I know it's not Avengers movies, a cat movie, but man, you had Civil War, you had the Falcon, the Winter Soldier.

Those movies were so good and I feel like this one was which similar to those kind of storylines and plots which is kind of different characters doing those roles who maybe in some places did them a little better. And so I'm kind of like that's why I give it a B plus.

And I was like wish I wish it's a little braver, a little bit more, a little bit newer and that's kind of but overall solid comic book movie ready to move us forward, those guys. And I will also say I'm reading a book. I'm reading Martin Luther King Jr's final book before he was assassinated called Where Do We Go From Here.

And in this book I was gifted a I was gifted this book from a friend, Matthew Break with pop culture and theology.

He he Martin Luther King talks about like this kind of white backlash of like in their favor of the civil rights for seeing what was done to them in the Selma march. And people are like, we shouldn't unleash dogs on human beings or unleash police batons on people's heads. We don't want that.

But when it's the next move for equality and, like, economic justice and housing and some of these real things that are going to affect people, he's like, but we aren't willing to go that far. You're willing to say, like, let's not treat people, like, brutally, but. But where's the next step of seeing us as equals?

And so me reading this book and then seeing this movie, that had some messages there, but I was like, yeah, where's the next phase? We're okay with this phase of MCU movie telling, storytelling, the superhero tropes and, And.

And the, the three acts of how you tell a superhero movie. But then where's the next step of. Of another phase of this? And that's. That's kind of where I was when I saw this movie. But all your points are fair.

That's kind of where I was mentally, philosophically, and what I'm consuming right now. Yeah.

Joshua Noel: 00:34:55

I mean, all that's fair, too. Yeah.

And I also, you know, thinking about, like, what's happening real time when you're watching this, it was hard not to hear him talk about he has to have this deal in the first hundred days. And you're also seeing Trump doing all of this stuff right now for his first hundred days.

And it's hard not to be like, what's funny is both aggravated, like, oh, he's a villain. But also part of me is like, oh, that's right. Even our villains are humans.

Even Donald Trump, a lot of what he's doing is because he also knows that he has a finitude. I might disagree with his choices on why he's doing what he's doing with that, but that's what he's facing.

He's facing his finitude, saying, I need to be important and to see that through a different character that I don't look at Donald Trump I just see as bad guy angry Harrison Ford. It's hard for me not to want to justify all of his characters because he's Harrison Ford, and all of a sudden he's doing the same thing.

And I'm like, oh, that's right. These guys are humans.

Will Rose: 00:35:50

And I think that's difficult. I think how they move him into being human with his daughter and hungry for his daughter. Like, part of me is like, all this could be Solved.

We just got some therapy and had Sam as his counselor would have been rather than like this unresolved conflict with your daughter. You're doing all this because. Unresolved conflict, man. It would be a lot cheaper for the country if you would have just gone and gotten some therapy.

But I think those kinds of things, it is, is they, they made, they did a good job making him more human and try to, you know, not justify these moves, but to see them why the, to see why he made the choices he made. And.

Joshua Noel: 00:36:29

Yeah.

So yeah, the other stuff I wanted to, I want to get at though was some of the stuff that there was some similarities I think were important that they did to say, hey, this is still Captain America. You know, I'm going to stand again. We're going to keep doing. I could do this all day, but I'm not going to say that line right.

You have some of that, you have some of these things where it's like mind control. A very different kind of mind control.

It's hard to compare it to what happened to Winter Soldier, but some people are doing it and I think they just don't understand science. So they're like, this is the same thing, but whatever.

So you see some of these things, you see some of these villains returning some of the similar concepts, but a completely different story. All the people like, oh, this is same old stuff.

I'm like, okay, but wait, when you guys complain about the MCU formula and I asked you what that is, what you tell me it is, is Iron man fights bad. Iron man, comedic sidekick. This was not Cap fighting bad Cap. This was Cap fighting the Hulk.

Yeah, this was the Hulk being controlled by a different entity who's not even a secret agent. So that's not even something that's been done in Marvel before. It's something from within America controlling the President.

You're like, this is not something MCU has done even a little bit before. So that's where I'm like, story wise. What? What?

Yeah, there's some similarities, but that's like saying, you know, oh, well, this was a political thriller. So it's the exact same movie as 007, you know, like what? No, that's, you know, some political thriller is just a genre. Superhero movies are a genre.

Like some stuff. Yeah, it's gonna be the same, but that plot has not been touched before like this.

Will Rose: 00:38:06

Yeah, I would just kind of lean into the leader a little bit. You know, we have like the villain as the leader. Stearns. You have the President and like Mind Control manipulation.

Who's in control, their actions or not, that that's something to be played with. And I.

And I think the same way that people fear the mutants and Professor X and that kind of thing, like who's really in charge of controlling these things.

And we think about like social media and who's controlling our data and our algorithms and are we being mind controlled or manipulated in these certain ways? I think there's room for those things. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

I guess I went in and through the present context of what's going on and ready for another phase of Marvel Universe. Bigger, better, wider, less extensive and didn't quite as much. So I guess some of my expectations there were a bit.

But all in all, I'll say I can't wait to get to your gripe. I can't wait to hear what that grip is. Keep going.

Joshua Noel: 00:39:03

First, my third thing. So my third theory, why critics are being buttholes. So could be because he's black. I think a lot of it is that.

Honestly, I think some of it is because it didn't say. The message that they went in wanting the third one is I think they're uncomfortable with the tension of the process.

Sam was never fully Captain America. He is in the process of becoming Captain America. Harrison board wasn't the Hulk. They'll say a whole time. We didn't get students a bunch of red Hulk.

He was in the process of becoming not just the Red Hulk, of becoming truly who Thaddeus Ross was meant to be.

Will Rose: 00:39:41

Yeah.

Joshua Noel: 00:39:42

And you don't have like, you do have cool fight scenes. It happens. There's a big fight scene. The resolution of the fight scene isn't some awesome new move. And it's not what I predicted.

I predicted a really cool speech because that's how Captain America do. Nope. What was it? Vulnerability. Plain, simple vulnerability.

He doesn't stand up after, you know, they both have that big blowout fight and go, well, now let me give you an inspirational speech. He says, here I am. I don't think you want to do it. He just is vulnerable. And I think that's something people just don't like.

There's a lot of tension there. There's a lot of unresolved tension here of like, wait, wait, no. You're supposed to punch him. You're supposed to give a cool speech. Nope.

I'm just gonna show myself for myself and I'm gonna give faith in the other that there is something good in the other that will come out if I choose to be vulnerable. And I'm like, oh, holy cow, man. Like, to me, I was like, that moment, it was so big because it was, you know, the faith of a mustard.

You know, the mustard seed, faith stuff. This, that.

Will Rose: 00:40:43

I don't know, man.

Joshua Noel: 00:40:44

I get excited. I get excited about it.

Will Rose: 00:40:46

And among the cherry blossoms and the trees and. And what are you rooted in reaching? Yeah.

Joshua Noel: 00:40:52

My cherry blossom tea, and it says new life. That's my tattoo from my accident. And it's because of the cherry blossoms in D.C. so I have a lot of personal connection to this too. Yeah. Yeah.

Because me and my mom had a big thing at the cherry blossoms with DC and after my accident, I had some scarring on my arm and I got it covered up with cherry blossoms that represent new life in the Greek word for new life. And then here we have this movie, and Harrison Ford's given a chance of new life because of Sam's vulnerability.

Will Rose: 00:41:20

I. I love that. Josh. No. No apologizing at all. You should not apologize. Embrace it. That. Those are good points. I love that connection you made.

And I can see why you would love that ending and connect with it and think it's awesome. That's very special. And I, I.

When I was watching that, I was thinking of your conversation with Ryan and I was like, hey, Joshua predicted this, right? He's doing a. And I did see as an inspiring speech and it wasn't a long monologue for. Goes on for five minutes, but he. He made a speech.

He didn't fight with a super punch or taking the super soldier serum or. Or the. The green Hulk showing up to save the day. Like, that's. That's not what happened. It was him being vulnerable and giving a speech going.

I see the good news, which again, one of our themes. I love it that, you know, this is all about Joshua's vibe of whole church in systematicology.

While we do what we do, seeing the good in the other and their relationships and conversations around these things. That is what Sam and Cap embodied there with that shield. And. And yeah, he doesn't have a gun or laser beams out of his eyes.

He has a shield for defense and some wings. And he learns how to. To, I guess, calm this monster down. How do you calm this monster?

You touch to the pinpoint of who they are and what their real trauma is and to share be vulnerable with the other person. Maybe in the monsters in our lives, we can take the parable and message of this story of how do we take down the monster?

How do we calm down the Hulk? Yeah, maybe it's being vulnerable.

Maybe it's speaking truth to power, but also the truth within them, which is overpowering them and helping them see through a different lens. I think that that is a fantastic measure. I love. And so when I thought about your conversation with Ryan, I was like, oh, Joshua called it.

It's not a big weapon or a super punch. It is. It is a conversation, and it's a speech. It's understanding the other that helped win the day. So that was excellent.

Joshua Noel: 00:43:18

Few more nerdy things. I was actually really shocked. I thought it was gonna end up being the scroll. I thought that's what the reveal was gonna be, not mind control.

I was convinced that the leader, I knew he was gonna be in it. I thought it was gonna be like a quick cameo for all of us who grew up watching the Incredible Hulk TV series, you know, the little animated series.

I was like, oh, this is gonna be great. And then he was the main guy. I was like, oh, that was fun. I had a lot of fun with that. The other thing.

So we should have done this when we summarize the plot, I guess. But the thing is, what you see is the American people, Captain America, they don't trust systems anymore. And that's true.

We've saw that with the election. American people do not trust systems anymore. And then you have Ford's like, oh, here's the system. Here's the system.

Here's how we're going to play into that. And that's kind of the two sides. You don't really have. Republican or Democrat. They don't do that. Which is probably smart for multiple reasons.

One, it would hurt their sales. And two, the message kind of sticks to just one place.

When you do that, when you let it be a little bit vaguer, I feel like the message gets to be a little bit more open.

Hey, whether you trust the systems because you think, hey, man, a good system will help us feed the hungry, or you're like, actually, the system screwed us over a hundred times. You can still see the good in the other. So I liked that there.

And I just want to point out the other thing that I thought was a lot of fun because of this, Sam keeps going, oh, maybe I should have took the serum. And he feels like he's not. Not there. Right. He's like, I'm not Steve. He's not. And everyone went into this movie going, well, that's not Steve.

So that was kind of fun that he just said it. For those who didn't watch the TV show. Yeah. And, you know the thing that was cool about that though is that's like not only is like just relatable.

Like, we're all sometimes like, I'm like, man, you know, I talked to somebody at work and I'm like, will would have done that better. I'm not Will. You know, and we all do that a little bit, A little bit of comparison of like, oh, man, I'm not, I'm not there yet.

We're all in the process of becoming. This is the Josh Patterson movie, apparently, you know, And I think what was cool is Bucky's cameo.

You know, he showed up, we weren't expecting him and loved it. What I loved is he almost verbatim said what I said in our comic book catch up episode.

He said Steve was the symbol of hope, something we could look to give us hope. You are the symbol of what we can aspire to. And if we watch our comic book catch up. That's what I said.

I said Steve was he's hope, he's a symbol, but he's not relatable. Sam is relatable. He's someone we can aspire to. And I'm like, oh, man, he ripped. I literally, I said it under my breath.

I was like, bucky ripped off my speech. And then he goes, yeah, thank the speechwriters for that. And I was like, I'm the speechwriter.

Will Rose: 00:45:52

I love that. Yeah, yeah, that was a good cameo.

And I know, you know, Bucky's gonna be featured another movie this summer and so maybe there'll be some more tie ins there. Like they allude to him being elected or running for congress, those kinds of things. And yeah, and I, I, I, I like that grander stuff.

I, I will say another thing I liked is I loved Ruth. I love this, this black, this widow, this black widow who from a different thing is like his, his, the present security. I loved her character.

She's so, she was so small and tiny next to all of them, but yet, oh yeah, she was great big punch. I, that is a new character that you could bring in. Maria Hills out of the picture, all these other things. Shields out of the picture.

She's a new person that, that I love bringing in as a newer character that but alluded to as trained as an assassin slash ninja slash, you know, Black widow's not around, but we, we have one who is trained just like her. So I, I, I, I loved, I love that.

Joshua Noel: 00:46:45

Yeah. And I'd be remiss if we, if we moved on without saying walking Taurus was phenomenal.

That the actor who played him was great having him step into the Falcon role. Just like the comics. You're like, ah, this, that, that was a lot of fun. It was just good fun.

Will Rose: 00:46:57

Yeah.

Joshua Noel: 00:46:58

Okay, rating it. Will you go first? Because I still have to share my one gripe before we move on.

Will Rose: 00:47:03

Okay, you're not going to share your gripe before the rating?

Joshua Noel: 00:47:05

No, I'm going to rate it and then say, why am I rating? It's because of the one gripe.

Will Rose: 00:47:10

Oh, okay, gotcha. I'm going to say we're doing 1 to 10.

Joshua Noel: 00:47:15

Yes.

Will Rose: 00:47:16

Okay. I'm going to do 7.90.

Joshua Noel: 00:47:22

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He's got gamma radiation brain, and he's like, oh, probability, probability. And they never explained, like, why didn't he see Sam as a probable thing that could have hindered him.

It was like his whole thing is supposed to be super smart. And I just don't think they played that well enough. I think the actor acted really well.

I liked how everything went down and I liked that it's kind of impl happened is Sam is more good than what your average person would probably be. And I think that's what broke it is he's actually just that genuinely good of a person and that broke the probabilities.

But they never said it, they never explained it. So there was always a little bit of me that's like. And the Leader, his whole thing is like super smart.

And you guys just look like, ah, he just couldn't figure out Sam. I don't know.

Will Rose: 00:48:18

Yeah. Even though what. No matter how smart you are, nobody's without their blind spots.

And no matter what you can see and perceive and all possibilities, there's. There's something blocking or shading your perception or whatever.

Whether it's, you know, the emperor not being able to see the good in Darth Vader or some of those things like, what is it that's preventing you from seeing your blind spot that you have in the world? And so I think when it comes to politics and superheroes in this movie, I think that's something to what are our blind spots?

How do we enlarge that the Leader had his blind spots. And another conversation a little bit more development, they might could have addressed that. And I agree with you.

Joshua Noel: 00:48:57

It would have been just like two sentences. They could have done like two or three sentences to kind of explain. Oh, man, I just didn't think anybody would actually do that.

That's so improbable, you know, like something.

Will Rose: 00:49:07

Just end credit scene, go down there. And he was like, ah, I missed. I missed. I miss seeing you as a part of this because this is here.

And you better get ready because there's a larger world. Well, we already knew there are larger worlds. We knew there's more worlds. They know that there's a multiverse out there.

Joshua Noel: 00:49:21

They even could have done a nod to what you wanted to be braver about, the race thing, and point out that, that so much of our computers and AI are generated around the white man's world that they actually. It's hard for AI to write in the voice of a black person. That's still true. And that's one of those things.

Our computer systems are systemic racism built in because white people are making it all. And they could have played on that. Like, oh man, my probabilities actually are just of a different world. There's this disconnect in our worlds.

And they could have done something with that, that.

Will Rose: 00:49:52

Okay, after hearing you talk about this movie, I'll move it up from 7.9 to 8.8.0. After hearing your conversation, how much you love it and the, the mustard seed in the trees and the convers. Okay, I'm, I'll move it up.

Okay, all right. To an eight.

Joshua Noel: 00:50:06

Well, let's, let's move on to something even more in your world. Like I feel like Cap. Harrison Ford, Indiana Jones. Like that's like my main things. I am reading this. This isn't one of my main things though.

This is one of your main things is comic books in Dr. Doom. What is one world under Doom? What are we talking about, Will?

Will Rose: 00:50:23

Okay, yeah, I know we don't have a lot of time here, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna do this. So. All right. Marvel and dc, they love these big events and timebacks.

They have their, their books, their team books, their individual superhero books.

But every now and then, sometimes more often than they should, they do these big tie in events to help you or lure you to buy other comic books that are part of this main company wide event.

Well, not too long ago, there was one of those called Blood Hunt where the entire world was darkened and attacked by the God of vampires and Blade was possessed by this supernatural being that possessed everybody. And so all the heroes had to come together under the dark of night and vampires taking over the entire world. Dr. Strange was in a position Where.

Where he needed to make a sacrifice and Dr. Doom tricked him into passing on the mantle of Sorcerer supreme to Dr. Doom to save the day. And it did. They saved the day. Oh, great.

They got rid of the vampires. Oh, yeah. But the new status quo is Dr. Doom is now the Sorcerer Supreme. Well, it's been dormant for like four months. Nobody knows what she's going.

Just kind of hiding out in Latveria. And we're like, oh, isn't he like, Source is pretty well. Well, in this event, One world under Doom, There's a mass. Dr.

Doom takes over every single device and technology and news media and just announces to the world, hey, I know what's better for you. I am now emperor of the world. I'm Source Supreme. I'm Doom Supreme. I am. I am the one who's going to be emperor. So just.

It's what's best for you, so just, just accept it. And you're like, oh, okay, well, is he going to heal everything? Well, in this comic, they. The, the heroes are like, we've been here before.

We've done this before. Dr. Doom's trying to take over the world before. What do we do? How do we stop this?

Even when other world dictators and presidents and governments are like, supposedly under Doom's umbrella. So that's this event. Dr. Doom will save you.

And it's hard not to read this comic book through the lens of present day political stuff, as with the movie and what's going on. And so that's what's going on. It's not only Dr.

Doom as a super villain, one of my favorite villains of all time, he also is Source of Supreme and has a lot of power. So that's what's going. And then what's going on?

I think what Marvel's doing smartly, the next big Avenger movie is Avengers Doomsday, which they're gonna bring in Dr. Doom as the villain. We'll see how they bring Doom in or not to the Fantastic Four movie or not. They don't. Golly, how they gonna do this?

But anyway, this is Marvel's big event and it's a crossover. It's gonna touch all the books. So if you're collecting X Men, it's gonna affect it. If you're collecting Avengers, it's definitely go Captain America.

It's going to have his hand in all the Marvel comic books.

Because how are you going to stop One World under Doom with a big creative team and Ryan north, who's writing Fantastic Four, who's been really Great. Is. Is the the author on this book? I like the first book. It was a good setup. Art was great.

RB Silva I think is the artist and so that's what's going on. And Marvel does this great when they have like trying to get people who have seen the movies go into the comic shops and buy these stories.

That's why I was a little disappointed they didn't allude to Dr. Do Something Else to say like, oh, this is what's coming up next. Go hear what's going on in Marvel Universe. There's braver tie ins.

Yeah, maybe that's a little bit my expectations that weren't met and brings it down. But yeah, questions there. You're reading this book, you didn't really like Blood Hunt as much. Is that what you said?

Joshua Noel: 00:53:58

I really disliked Bloodhunt. It was boring and convoluted and I was like this just the thing was there's so many stories I was following that were good.

And then Blood Hunt happened and it just wrecked all these really good stories. And I'm like, man, I would have rather not had this and finish the stories I was reading.

Will Rose: 00:54:14

And that's the critique of these events. Like some of these creators have a good story arc for Daredevil or Fantastic Four or for Moon Knight, but then.

And then a company wide events happening with Marvel and so those, those creators have to tie it in to this event and it kind of steam. Oh, Jason Aaron was rolling great with Avengers and now we have to like hold over here to another event that I can't.

What about the other storyline he didn't get to finish? They gotta jump into this one.

Joshua Noel: 00:54:42

So yeah, that was my thing. Jed McKay's Doctor Strange. It was like such a good. And then it was like, oh.

And then like also Blood Hunt kind of just seemed like it was set up for this. And this is like, I'm not discounting it yet. I enjoyed the first issue. It was a little campy, but I enjoyed it.

Captain America outsmarted Doom, you know, not Tony Stark, not Reed Richards. Cap said, wait a minute, what about this date? Yeah, real, real Zema would have known that. And you're like, yeah, that's right. Cap saves the day.

But you know, I always love a good cat moment. But I don't know, man, it feels a little clickbaity. Like, oh, what if Doctor. Doctor Doom is the sorcerer's dream now?

And you're like, okay, so you're just desperate for people to read your comics and you did a lot of, a lot of you Know, maneuvering to kind of set this up so that it made sense so that you could have a comic that was titled this right around the time the movies are doing this. And this feels clickbaited.

Will Rose: 00:55:36

But that, but that. That's it.

I mean, that's, that's definitely the lore and, and the, the ups and downs of being a comic book collector is they'll, you'll, you're really loving something. They reboot with a new number one, which is clickbaity and. Or a new creative team which is clickbaity and then tied into the movie.

Or they make the character look exactly like the character in the movie or make find the voice of Robert Downey Jr. For Tony Stark rather than Tony Stark. Or Hawkeye's costume has changed because it looks like the movie clickbaity.

Or they put him on the COVID So it's definitely clickbaity. But now understand the industry. How are you going to get attention? How are you going to get clicks?

How are you going to keep paying your creators and churn out these stories and make a profit? They got to find ways to do that. I, I love Doom. I, I like the idea of this one world under Doom.

I feel like we've done this before in Secret wars not too long ago with Hickman and that's awesome. And I, I loved that story arc and, and I collected every single issue of, of that, even the spin offs, because I loved it so much. So this one.

Here we go again. Them. But again, like your question from the very beginning of this podcast, are there new stories to tell? Are we just rehashing old stories?

Most of the time we kind of are. And some Bible told us this.

Joshua Noel: 00:56:46

The Bible told us this. If you read Ecclesiastes, there's nothing new under the sun. Dr. Doom's gonna be ruler of the world again. It was in the Bible. But no, I actually am.

I love Doom, so I'm excited to see more of him. I, I like the art in this a lot. There's two caps and, you know, Dr. Strange has to be pretty heavily involved for this to work out.

There's a good chance Blade makes, you know, some, some appearances. I'm like, ah, like, characters I really enjoy are part of this. The art's good. I didn't mind the story.

The only reason I feel like it felt campy is because it was doing it for people who don't know everyone's name. So you have people in the battlefield going, captain America, what about this? Iron man, what about this?

And I'm like, okay, that's just, that's not a thing. Like if, like if we're in a fight, I'm like, I'm not like Pastor Will Rose, look to your left. You know, like it's like, yo, Will, on your left.

It's not Pastor Will Rose.

Will Rose: 00:57:34

It's, you know, but yeah, and there's the comic.

Joshua Noel: 00:57:37

Minor complaints. Minor. Yeah.

Will Rose: 00:57:39

How do you tell the story? Every comic is gonna be somebody's first comic.

And so how do you not over explain, but then explain that a lot of the X Men, Chris Claremont, you know, the first three pages of him rehashing everything they've done in the last year because he's scared that they're not going to understand what's going on because it's their first, first comic book that they're, they're reading. So anyway, yeah, it's, how do you tell, how do you introduce a new number one new comic, new story arc to perhaps new readers? I don't know.

Joshua Noel: 00:58:07

Yeah, yeah. But I'm excited to see where they go. I think it's fun.

I do like all the political tie ins and with comics, unlike movies, they're being pretty intentional about it. I think of, look, why it doesn't make sense that all these people are falling in line, does it? And you're like, you know, it really doesn't.

And yeah, yeah, I actually enjoy when they do that because comic books have always been political and I will continue to beat that drum till I'm dead. You are Captain America's first comic. Punching Hitler before we're in the war. That's how we do it. That's how comics do. It's how comics do.

But with that will, you know, for these episodes we have to pick one IP that we discussed already, something we mentioned. If you had to pick any of the things we talked about today, what would be your top recommendation? For those who haven't seen or played.

Will Rose: 00:58:49

Or whatever it go on YouTube and watch a bunch of Saturday Night Live skits. No, just kidding. Just kidding. Just kidding. Like, yeah, I love Saturday Night Live. I love those things. I, I will say go see Captain America.

Go see the movie. Go have fun. Try not to have all your baggage and expectations not wrapped up in, in this before you go in.

But it's hard because it's hard not to see this movie through the lens of what's going on in our present context in politics and world and what you're wrestling with and you're scared of. I totally understand this. But go to this movie, see it, support it let's. Comic book movies aren't going to stop anytime soon. Let's go have fun.

Go get some popcorn. It's a good, it's a good old time. And, and strap in. It's. It's a ride.

Joshua Noel: 00:59:27

Yeah. Yeah.

Captain America would be my favorite of all the things, but I'm not gonna recommend my favorite thing because I don't think that it's for everyone. I understand people don't love political thrillers the way I do. I think anyone could enjoy the Indiana Jones game even if you're not really a gamer.

It's not like, it's not like a gamer's game. It's more of a, a story lovers game. If you love story, this game's for you. If you're like, oh man, I want like a like great gameplay.

It's not the best gameplay. Story's pretty, pretty cool though. So I think it's worth your time. I will recommend Indiana Jones in the great circle Fun. Yeah.

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