Finding Value in 'Green Lantern': A Podcast Review

Andy Walsh: 00:01:15

What if Star Lord joined the Green Lantern Corps instead of the Ravagers? Welcome systematic geeks to Systematic Geekology and our summer Drive in series.

We are watching or maybe rewatching for our Sims movies reviewed as rotten and giving you our reaction. You can check out all of the Drive in series if you look at a playlist or subscribe to the podcast. All the ways that you can find things.

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And here with me at the Drive in, rolling up, I'm guessing as a surfer in one of those wood panel pickup trucks with a couple of boards in the back at the drive in is Will Rose. How you doing, Will?

Will Rose: 00:01:53

I'm good. Aloha. Aloha. Yeah, I just rolled up in the Drive in with, with a couple board.

Boards on the roof and dripping wet with a wet bathing suit and wet sandy towels. And you know, I think Green Lantern has some surfing vibes.

tten Green lantern movie from: 2011

Andy Walsh: 00:02:22

Awesome. That's right.

o spool up green lantern from: 2011

Blake Lively, Ryan Reynolds, Peter Sarsgaard, Mark Strong and a whole bunch of other folks including Amanda Waller. Angela Bassett making her first of many appearances. The only person to come out of the, to survive this movie.

Although ironically, I don't think she actually survives this movie. But somehow her character is the only one who comes back.

Will Rose: 00:02:58

That's right.

Andy Walsh: 00:03:00

So, all right, we're at the Drive in. The movie is played out. We're headed back home. What are you thinking?

Will Rose: 00:03:08

I'm. I'm feeling really good about myself. My self esteem is super high.

I'm feeling really lifted up because they, they talked about me a lot in this movie. They said Will is the strongest energy in the universe. That Will is stronger than fear. I feel really pumped up. Will.

Will defeated Parallax and, and fear and that, that nasty color yellow. So I, I'm feeling pretty good. My self esteem is really high on the way home. Like, man, man, they really, they talk.

They spoke well of me in this movie.

Andy Walsh: 00:03:40

Yeah, good point. Forget, forget Hollywood power couple. The real star of this movie, Rose.

Will Rose: 00:03:45

That's right. It's hard not to take it personally, but, but yeah, yeah, I feel great. I'm the strongest energy universe. I'll take that. I'll take that affirmation.

That's what I'm taking.

Andy Walsh: 00:03:54

Awesome.

Will Rose: 00:03:55

How about you, Andy? What's the first reaction? You were driving home, and I look at you and I'm like, andy, thoughts? Your first reactions to this movie?

Andy Walsh: 00:04:03

Yeah.

So it's tough to remember what my reaction was 14 years ago when I first saw this movie, but my first reaction watching the movie a second time was how much it was a Guardians of the Galaxy riff three years before. Guardians of the Galaxy.

Will Rose: 00:04:19

Yeah. Yeah.

Andy Walsh: 00:04:21

Your mileage may vary about what you expect from Hal Jordan, but this was not. To me, this is not Hal Jordan. This was Peter Quill from the Guardians movie. He's got that man child screw up kind of energy.

You know, including the fact that we first were first introduced to adult Hal Jordan in, you know, in bed with an anonymous woman that we never see again, who is very quick to put in his rearview mirror. We get. I watched the. I don't know what you watched.

I watched the extended version on HBO Max this time around, which starts with a longer prologue about the crash that his father died in. The plane crash his father dies in. So you even have that.

That, you know, Guardians of the Galaxy, like, opening sequence with the kid losing a parent and the trauma and then cutting to them as an adult. Like, it really had strong. This is a template for. For a Guardians movie vibe. You know, of course, I don't know if that's what.

What actually transpired. And it doesn't hurt the fact that we also. There's also another. There's sort of two prologues to the movie.

There's the one that I think was in the theatrical version that is Tomar Ray giving a voiceover about the. The ancient history of the Green Lantern Corps and the Guardians who created it.

Will Rose: 00:05:44

Yep.

Andy Walsh: 00:05:44

Right. So you get that. So you got Guardians on the mind.

And then we meet a character who is, you know, basically Ryan Reynolds, but Ryan Reynolds doing, you know, a character that Chris Pratt would do in a few years as well, as opposed to. I, you know, I think of. Hal Jordan is a bit more competent, a bit more of an adult, not. Not a man child. Right. I would have, you know, in.

I could imagine Dennis Quaid playing Hal Jordan once upon a time. I could see maybe like a Glenn Powell. If you were casting right now, of course, you cast Glen Powell just about anybody right now.

It seems like he's kind of the. The it girl of the moment.

But, yeah, so it was maybe not, you Know, maybe not a Hal Jordan story, but in a lot of ways a fairly competent, you know, sci fi superhero jam.

Will Rose: 00:06:32

Yeah. You know, is driving away.

Would I have thought, you know, if I was seen the first time, would I be like, oh, you know, Ryan Reynolds would be better suited for something like Deadpool maybe, maybe they should cast him as Deadpool. If I'm driving away, thinking, thinking those thoughts.

think of like the context of: 2011

an, you had, you had, know in: 2011

gers was going to come out in: 2012

trying to do it, trying to get there first. And then Marvel's like, oh, you want to do a space movie?

Well, we got some characters we can do our, not Guardians of the Universe, we'll do our Guardians of the Galaxy. That's what we'll do and, and, and make, and James Gun will make it cool with and rock and roll. So yeah, I'm, I'm with you.

This, this movie gets what, a 25% splat on, on Rotten Tomatoes and with this series of trying to, you know, rewatch some, some rotten movies and decide whether it's deserving of, of its grading or, or ranking. You know, I, I was watching the movie with that in mind through that lens and it's like, what, what is bad about this movie?

What is good about this movie? What do I, Ryan Reynolds is still Ryan Reynolds. He, I still like his quips. I like his clapbacks, I like his personality.

But, but as we're watching, I'm like, yeah, you know, this, this movie does really well the Green Lantern mythos.

Like it, it nails the continuity from the comics in terms of OA and the Guardians of the Universe and why the ring was created and all the different sectors and all the Green Lanterns and them being space cops and, and I, I, I thought the look, overall look of the movie was great, but I kept thinking about Ryan Reynold, all the Green Laners that we've Gotten in the comics, maybe Hal would be better at a different guy. Maybe Guy Gardner, maybe something like that.

And then thinking about who would be more of a kind of straight laced hotshot, but also more grounded, kind of adult Hal Jordan. I'm right there with you.

Andy Walsh: 00:09:08

Yeah. I thought all of the stuff when we get to oa, interacting with the other Guardians, the other Green Lanterns, rather. Sorry.

You know, especially Mark Strong as Sinestro. Right. I thought that was, that was excellent casting. He really nails that.

You, you know, you can believe him as a highly respected Green Lantern, but also somebody who would be tempted or given to maybe a little bit of his own hubris to go in a different direction.

Will Rose: 00:09:36

Yeah.

Andy Walsh: 00:09:37

And, you know, as is teased at the very end of the film, I thought that, you know, the way that they handle the constructs. Right.

So the, you know, one thing I think is easy to do in these kind of movies, and I think sometimes Marvel has fallen into this trap a little bit, is you have somebody with energy powers and it just turns into kind of generic blobs of energy. Laser beams.

Will Rose: 00:09:59

Yeah.

Andy Walsh: 00:09:59

All that kind of stuff. But they, you know, so they're maybe not, you know, to everybody's taste. Maybe. You know, there are certainly when you can imagine anything, right.

When you can.

When you have something in which you can imagine anything, I'm sure there are folks out there who are very creative who could have come up with different solutions for what he could have used in different situations. But, you know, you have him, you know, turning that helicopter crash into a Hot Wheels car and a Hot Wheel track.

Will Rose: 00:10:23

I love that. I loved it. I loved it. Because that's a callback to earlier. Like, there. Everyone's mad and pissed off at Hal Jordan. That, that was frustrating.

Like, seemed like everybody in his world thinks he's like a disappointment or too much of a hot shot or thinking of himself. And everybody's pissed at him, except for, like, maybe his nephew. And then like he.

He sees his nephew's room in his birthday, this kind of Hot Wheels racetrack, and kind of looks at it and then later on calls back to it as a Greenland construct goes like, oh, I really like how they did that. That. That was super cool. That was super cool.

Andy Walsh: 00:10:56

Yeah, it's. It's specific. It has a physic physicality to it. Right. It does what a Hot Wheels car on the track does.

It's not just sort of floating around doing whatever blob amorphous, you know, and it's not maybe the most obvious thing. Right. It's not the Kind of first draft. Oh, how do you. How do you stop a helicopter crash? You know, a big cushion or a big net or something like that?

No, this is, you know, a little bit more creative than that. Or at the very end, when he needs to not get pulled into the sun and he creates a couple of, you know, fighter jets that he straps into. Right.

It's something specific. It has some physicality to it. It calls back to who he is and who is what his vocation is. So I thought all that was well done. If I had to.

If I had to pick why I think that the film didn't work or what people didn't respond to, I think there were two things going against it and maybe three if you count, you know, Ryan Reynolds was not playing Hal Jordan. But for non comics fans, that's probably not a big deal. Yeah, I think the. The visual design choices cost it some enthusiasm.

You know, the very, very obviously CGI Green Lantern costumes, the very busy. Yeah, look to them that the CGI domino masks, all of that just kind of doesn't work as well and I think doesn't hold up over time.

And it's got too many. It's got one too many villains, I think. I think they rushed into the Parallax story. Parallax suffers from two problems.

One is, you know, visually, it's kind of an odd character to go against. It's just this floating head with smoke tendril, tentacle things, just not a. Not a compelling thing. And it just.

It's too big of a scale to go from this guy is just learning the ropes of being a Green Lantern to defeating the fear entity that has, you know, killed seasoned veteran Green Lanterns, that is stymied the Green Lantern corps that took, you know, this tremendous effort to defeat the first time. So I really think. And thematically, there was a lot going on with Hector Hammond. Right. With. In terms of the father.

Father issues, the getting powers from an alien entity, a lot of duality or mirror kind of relationships there that you could build off of and just stick to a Hector Hammond story and build to Parallax in it in a subsequent film.

But other than that, I thought had a lot going forward, including a script from the guys who would go on to run a lot of the very successful CW DC shows.

Will Rose: 00:13:24

Yeah. Yeah, I'm. I'm with you. It was. It was all. It was a lot to put in one movie. So if I was. Yeah. If I was going to get back and why.

To get some of the cg, I said, you're Right. It looks very cartoony, looks very like video gamey. I was like, what am I watching? Of course this is, you know, over a decade ago.

So what we've learned in terms of CGI and what we can do and put in a movie, it may, it may have not have aged well when it comes to that. But I even think yeah, his mask was, was goofy and, and some of those things kind of took me out of the movie.

And they even acknowledge at one point like he goes and sees the Carol and I'm like, there's no way he, she doesn't know who he is. Like there's no way they're going to do this. And eventually she's like, how? How? I'm like, good, thank you. I'm glad they acknowledged.

She's like take off that mask. It's stupid. And I'm like, thank you for being self understanding when it comes comes to that. But I think it was all over the place.

So many plots, subplots. The cast was, was absolutely incredible. Like you got Tim Robbins, you got Taika. Wait is in this movie as his best friend.

I'm like what, what are we doing? Angela Bassett, Blake Lively, Ryan Reynolds. And then you even have Boba Fett. You have Tamir Morri is Aben sir.

Like immediately I heard his voice, I was like oh, that's Boba Fett. I, I know that voice. I know that voice more than anything. I, I just, I watched the Book of Bott. I know what's going on.

So the cast was great, but I think it was all over the place to put everything in. Into one. I, you know, I guess they, they didn't know if they're going to get an extra movie or a sequel or whatever and how you build.

But I think that's how the Marvel movies built these origin stories and played the long game to lead to Avengers and to lead to Infinity War and to lead to endgame. D.C. was, was really and, and maybe maybe they feel like they had to put all in that movie. I, I didn't think the. I think Dr.

Hammond and the him as a villain was pretty good. It was pretty like oh man, I really feel for this guy and what's going on in his life and what he was kind of being pushed to do.

Be in the shadow of, of how and the rest and his dad, Tim Robbins, not the Senator, not not paying much attention.

That telepathy of being able to read people's minds and hear their really thoughts about what they're really thinking about you is pretty you know, that's torturing. So. So, yeah, I think I love the cast, but you're right. I think the reason it got such a.

Such a crazy low rating is just because it's all over the place. And those is got. You get some whiplash. One minute you're on Earth, you're doing a slow dance with your girl. The next minute you're.

You're zapped to another planet and trying to soak up all the. Of being called to be a space cop with all these aliens just discovering that they're aliens. I think that's. It's pretty jarring. Yeah, I.

I love the learning curve of. I love learning curve of a superhero learning how to be a superhero. And that had elements of that in this movie. But.

But all in all, it was pretty quick and brushed over and. And moved pretty fast and was kind of all over the place.

Andy Walsh: 00:16:15

Yeah, there isn't. You have a hard time believing, again, this.

This kind of man child sort of character who is very good at flying planes but doesn't seem to be competent in anything else in his life, is instantly the most competent of all these Green Lanterns and of the, you know, several thousand Lanterns from various sectors. But it just. It is a hard, hard sell. And I think, yeah, if.

I think I probably would like to see them still do some kind of, you know, wider Green Lantern core element to the movie, I think that does add something to it. I think if it had just been on Earth and him and Hector Hammond, I think that does lose the thing. I like the scope of it. I like that we got. Maybe.

And maybe just because I like that we got to meet, you know, Mark Strong as Sinestro and Michael Clark Duncan as Kilowog.

Will Rose: 00:17:03

Yeah.

Andy Walsh: 00:17:04

And a little bit Jeffrey Rush as Tomo Ray, which again, like, you know, these are. These are a list actors giving their voices only in some cases to these kind of goofy, small alien roles.

Yeah, yeah, I like that we got to go there and meet those folks and get that scope and even see kind of some of the Easter eggs in the. In the bigger crowd shots of other less well known Lanterns and maybe some new creations for the film or whatever.

But I think that kind of stuff is fun and adds some scope to it. But yeah, I think you want to build up to something like Parallax.

I can get why the Sinestro Corps War, I think, was a pretty hot thing in the comics around that time. And the Parallax story wasn't that far in the past, so I could see the temptation to, well, this is the big Green Lantern stuff.

So let's just, let's just go there.

Will Rose: 00:17:56

Yeah, that's the source material that people are, the nerds are reading. And so maybe we, we give them some, some IKEA when it comes to that. I mean, part of the reason that and I chose this is we love superheroes.

But, but yeah, we got a big Superman movie coming up here in a month or so and there's going to be a Green Lantern in that one. And how the DC universe kind of reboots, restructures James Gunn's universe.

DC Universe where, where how the Green Lantern mythos emerges out of that, whether it's on a HBO Max series or whether like Peacemaker or whether it's in the movies. I'm interested to see where they go with Green. I've always liked Green Lantern. Who doesn't want a magic ring to be. To choose you out of the universe?

Like I, you know, as a kid after watching Super Friends and, and reading some of the comics, like I would, I would stand out on my porch at night, look at the stars. Like I wish someone give me a superpower ring. That would be cool. So, so I, I like this character.

I like, I like the, the Green Lantern mythos and as superheroes and across the universe, this kind of cosmic scale of something larger than myself out there. I, but, but the throw on this one.

I do remember seeing this in the theater with, with a friend of mine when I was way back when and kind of walking out and going, yeah, okay, that was a movie. There was a lot. They, they did a lot there.

Andy Walsh: 00:19:16

Yeah. Yeah, it is, it is interesting to try to remember back to, you know, putting this alongside Thor, Captain America.

It definitely doesn't shine or sing quite as well as those films. But also those are fairly looking back, those are fairly small scale films compared to where Marvel would go.

And so it is an interesting contrast and I do appreciate the ambition of the film. But yeah, I think I am more excited about the upcoming Green Lantern stuff, especially the show.

If I remember correctly, it's Kyle Chandler has been cast as Hal Jordan and Aaron Pierre as Jon Stewart. Those both strike me as great choices. So yeah, I think there's a lot of potential here.

Will Rose: 00:20:02

I think so too. I think so too.

Andy Walsh: 00:20:04

So other good things I have to being me.

I have to shout out a good thing about this movie was we got a little bit of a lecture from Hector Hammond about archaea, the third domain of life that is often underlooked as a microbiologist. Got to give A shout out to that.

So we learn a little bit about these other microbes that are fairly recent discovery and largely a product of our ability to do sequencing and study microbes in much greater detail. A lot of these things you can't even grow in the laboratory. It talks about them being extremophiles or whatever.

They're not necessarily all extremophiles, but a lot of them are. They can't even necessarily grow them in the laboratory.

So we didn't know about them because for a long time the only microbes that we could study were the ones that we could grow in culture. But with sequencing technology now we can, we can scan through the DNA of what's out there even if we can't grow it and find.

We found all these new and interesting little critters, interesting facts about archaea. So far we haven't identified any of them that cause human diseases. All the, all the bacterial diseases are caused by alpha bacteria, not archaea.

And speaking of Thor, there are, there's a whole branch of the archaea that have been named after the Asgardians. So there's like a Thor one and a Loki one. The full names of them are quite a tongue twister.

But yeah, there's this whole Asgard branch of the, of the tree of life. Now for these archaea and they are our closest, they are our closest relatives among the, the singer cell single cellular prokaryotes to, to humans.

And all their eukaryotes are these Asgardian ones.

Will Rose: 00:21:46

Look at there. That tree of life extend. Yeah, Tree of life extends branches and, and roots across, across the verse and multiverse. I, I like it.

Andy Walsh: 00:21:57

Any, any other good elements of this film that you want to shout out?

Will Rose: 00:22:01

Well, you know, you know, if we're going to think a little deeper and do some, some geekology here, like I, I love the idea of the ring choosing you. Like go, go find a worthy, worthy host. You know, kind of thing. It kind lot of things us. And you know, there, there's that scripture passage of.

You did not choose me, I chose you. You have it and Harry Potter the wand chooses you. I, I visited Universal and my kids were at the place where you get a Harry Potter wand.

And, and of course the, the wand chose them in that, in that room because they wanted us to buy it for our kids. But that whole understanding of, of being chosen, we even have a part of our send off. We're all a chosen people, a geekdom of priests.

Like we're, we're chosen. And the ring choosing you to go and do good. And the whole aspect of why they doubted how, like, why did it choose you? You're just a human.

You're young. When it compares to the. The whole universe, like, humans are just barely a blip on the radar when it comes to the.

The billions of years of the galaxy. And he even says at one point, I'm only human. But that's part of our gift is. Is that that willpower of. Of. Of the human.

So the ring choosing him and him discovering why it chose him and other people discovering why it ch. Of. Of understanding. I like that aspect of it. I like. I like that part of our fandom and even our theology and philosophy of understanding who we are.

And I've got it. That we're chosen. So. So, yeah, the ring choosing him was.

I like that mythos of Green Lantern and a part of this movie that helped me reflect a little bit about, you know, who we are as humans in the grand scale of a universe that could be teeming with life or microbes or extremophiles. I don't know. It could be out there. But. Yeah, I mean, what's your take on that? Does that.

Does that hit a certain way in terms of a ring choosing you or being chosen?

Andy Walsh: 00:23:54

Yeah, that wasn't the thing that I latched onto the most. I was thinking more about the fear element, giving into fear, how we combat fear.

And with all due respect to you and your namesake, whether in fact, will is the thing that cancels out fear. You know, scripturally, we talk about perfect love being the thing that drives out fear. The whole willpower thing has always struck me.

Well, maybe not always, but as an adult, has struck me as a bit in the Objectivist flavor. Right. And perhaps even a little bit more authoritarian than is comfortable at times.

Will Rose: 00:24:32

Yeah.

Andy Walsh: 00:24:32

You know, I feel like reading some of the modern Green Lantern comics, and especially as they've kind of expanded the rainbow of different ring cores and so forth, feels like they're a little bit saddled by this. We stuck. We associated the color green with willpower and so forth. I'm not sure the mythology all works out that way.

Will Rose: 00:24:51

Right.

Andy Walsh: 00:24:53

You know, certainly I would. I would prefer a different theology than one is getting from the Green Lantern comics all the time. And then.

Will Rose: 00:25:01

And they mix that in the comments. What, you know, purple isn't purple. Compassion. And they have a blue. There's like a faith element to blue.

And of course, you have red and yellow and avarice and fear and all those things, but, like, the color spectrum and attaching certain kind of emotions or willpower or virtues to the color spectrum. I think, you know, expanding that universe and what it means rather than just a binary of green versus yellow.

I like how they expanded this, but I think, yes, there's some other colors out there with rings that have some virtues and other kind of things that we'd understand, especially from a Scripture point of view of love and compassion and mercy being. Being pretty important and powerful as well.

Andy Walsh: 00:25:45

Yeah, yeah, we got. I'm trying to remember, I think it was the indigo is compassion and the violet is love or passion or something like that.

They're the ones that are kind of. Blue is blue, I think. Right.

Will Rose: 00:25:57

Blue is hope, which, you know, hey, if we're going to go, you know, liturgical, that's the color of Advent, that's the color of hope leading up to Christmas. So, yeah, they got that one.

Andy Walsh: 00:26:07

Right, right. And the repeated phrase of the one Blue Lantern that we see most often is all will be well. Right.

That's a very Scriptural or Christian phrase to repeat. So, yeah, yeah, there are definitely things to appreciate about those, about those comics. But, yeah, I, It.

I find it a little bit hard sometimes to be a fan of the cheer for the, The Green Lanterns and their willpower, you know, exerting their will over the rest of the galaxy.

Will Rose: 00:26:36

Okay. My egos. My ego is deflated a little bit on the ride home. Like, okay, I get it. Will isn't the strongest energy in the universe.

I need to calm down a little bit. I. I hear you. That. That's totally fair. That's totally fair. I need to. I need to have. Have some humility here. As on the ride home after this movie, as.

As Ryan Reynolds did as the years passed on. Maybe some humility. Maybe that's.

Maybe that's why the end credit scene to Deadpool 2 had him assassinate himself and then turn to the camera and say, you're welcome. Canon after he's reading the script to Green Lantern. One of the best in credit scenes of all time. One of the.

I tell you, the Deadpool in credit scenes, the first one with him being Ferris Bueller about go home, why are you still here? And then him time traveling, correcting the timeline was, Was pretty epic. I mean that if you haven't seen that, folks, you know, Deadpool is.

Isn't for everybody, but some of those in credit scenes you can find somewhere just. It's just, man, it's so witty and so, so funny and, you know, somewhere.

Andy Walsh: 00:27:37

There was a lawyer or a group of lawyers who probably lost some sleep that opening weekend about whether that end credit sequence would cost them their job, having signed off on it.

Will Rose: 00:27:47

Yep, yep. I agree. I agree. Cool, cool, cool, cool.

Andy Walsh: 00:27:52

All right, well, we're talking end credits. Maybe we should wrap up here.

Will Rose: 00:27:55

Yeah, yeah.

Andy Walsh: 00:27:57

Any final thoughts or do you want to talk about a snack that you bring to the drive in? Not a classic snack bar serving. What are you sneaking in? Because they don't sell it at the snack bar, man.

Will Rose: 00:28:07

You know, I'm, I'm just such a big fried chicken fan and I know they're selling like chicken tenders and, and, and nachos and all kinds of stuff and, and beer and movie theaters. It's not just popcorn and candy anymore. They've expanded a lot of things. But I, you know, in terms of like this particular drive in, I'm.

I'm bringing like a, a good, like 12 piece basket of, of just full chicken. A full chicken. Like the leg and the thighs and the breasts and the wings. I'm, I'm bringing that in. That, that's what I want. That's the full dinner.

I don't even anything else. I'm just, I'm just eating a bunch of fried chicken, a whole basket of fried chicken and, and a soft drink for this movie.

Andy Walsh: 00:28:47

All right.

We've got, got a company lunch coming up next week at my work and we are bringing from a British pub here in Pittsburgh, like meat pies, the classic savory pie and that, that. So that's been on my mind. I'm thinking that would be a good, a good movie snack. You know, it's a, it's portable.

You know, it's something you can eat with your hand. It's a hearty meal. It's not just, you know, it's not just crunchy carbs. It's got, it's got.

You can get some meat and veggies in there, some protein, and I like it. I think that would be a good, I think it would be a good snack.

Will Rose: 00:29:20

Maybe a little more nutritious and vitamin rich than, than my just basket of full fried chicken maybe, but maybe not.

Andy Walsh: 00:29:26

I mean, it' exactly. I say vegetable. I think maybe they wave a vegetable in the general direction of the pie as they are putting in the meat salad.

Will Rose: 00:29:35

It's not a salad. It's still a meat pie.

Andy Walsh: 00:29:37

And then, you know, all the lard in the crust. So, yeah, I'm not, I'm not claiming any sort of moral high grab here with my snack.

Will Rose: 00:29:45

Your willpower. Strong. Your willpower is strong. I love it, Andy. Yeah, I should, should we, should we recommend this movie to folks?

I mean, should they, should they go out and watch this? I think leading up to the DC Universe to compare this with what's coming up next, it's not a bad watch.

me capsule timepiece of, of a: 2011

Andy Walsh: 00:30:10

Yeah, I think it has more going for it than it does not or, you know, somewhere in the middle. I think if I remember correctly, the, the popcorn score, the audience score in Rotten Tomatoes was closer to 50. That feels a little bit more.

Will Rose: 00:30:21

Right.

Andy Walsh: 00:30:21

The 25 feels a bit harsh. Yeah. If nothing, you know.

And again, the secret origin of Angela Bassett as Amanda Waller, who, you know, is the through line through this DC Universe incarnation.

The next one with the Suicide Squad and Peacemaker and the current one, I, I imagine since Peacemaker Season 2 is coming out, and I suspect she's still involved in that. And true.

Will Rose: 00:30:43

I love it. I love that. What do you think we should end with the, the, the oath. I have it in front of me. I can, I can say the oath.

Maybe, maybe we end with the Green Lantern oath and, and, and see if a ring comes our way in the next. Over in the course of the summer.

Andy Walsh: 00:30:59

Take us out. Charge up your willpower with the oath.

Will Rose: 00:31:01

All right, here. Here comes Will coming at you with. With the oath. In brightest day, in blackest night, no evil shall escape my sight.

Let those who worship, worship evil's might. Beware my power. Green Lanterns, light.