Top 5 Doctor Who Companions: Who Makes the Cut?

Christian Ashley: 00:01:14

Who is the best companion on Doctor who? We're going to be asking this question out a lot more in today's episode of Systemic Ecology. We are the priest of the Geeks.

I'm your host, Christian Ashley, here to do another, surprisingly, Doctor who episode with the one of the doctors himself. A lesser doctor than of course, tj, but a doctor nonetheless. How's it going, Joshua?

Joshua Noel: 00:01:33

It's doing great. Yeah. Yeah.

Christian Ashley: 00:01:34

The.

Joshua Noel: 00:01:35

The doctor without any doctorate or PhD or anything smart to say at all, really.

Christian Ashley: 00:01:40

I mean, technically, I'm a master. I'm a master now.

Joshua Noel: 00:01:43

So a Master of Divinity. Is a Master of Divinity better than a doctorate of humanity? That's what I want.

Christian Ashley: 00:01:51

Yes, absolutely. Yes.

Joshua Noel: 00:01:57

I bet.

Christian Ashley: 00:01:57

What have you been geeking out on recently?

Joshua Noel: 00:01:59

Well, we're doing two today, so I had to, like, write down and make sure I don't say the same things. I'm going to go with the Adventure Time comics. I didn't know they existed, but I was at Comic Con, I saw them. I was, I wonder if they're any good.

Ryan north, one of the authors, I was like, wait a minute, I like that guy. And then I saw that some of them actually some part of it, won one of the Eisner's, and I was like, oh, so these are like good comics.

And they are, they are actually surprisingly good. Like not just Cartoon Network wanted more money, but like somebody had more story to tell. And I'm happy.

Christian Ashley: 00:02:33

I'm also going to select a comic. I read this one not too long ago and it's actually, I didn't even know it was going to come out.

The Fantastic Four Gargoyles comic crossover came out not too long ago. And as far as I know, it was a new thing and it was great. I loved it. I mean, they had great moments for everyone to play.

It kind of made it to where the gargoyles have kind of always been part of the Marvel universe, so I didn't have to explain things too much on that end. Iron man shows up. Thanatos. It's a wonderful time.

Joshua Noel: 00:03:02

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Christian Ashley: 00:03:25

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Joshua Noel: 00:03:28

How long, Z.

Christian Ashley: 00:03:29

So today we're going to be doing a special tier ranking episode on our list. So when we announce it and this is released, feel free to add your own. Like, who would you rank where we're doing.

Joshua Noel: 00:03:42

I've done this before.

Christian Ashley: 00:03:43

Yes.

Joshua Noel: 00:03:44

With different answers.

Christian Ashley: 00:03:45

Oh, boy, this will be fun. So we're going to be doing our top five Doctor who companions.

So, Joshua, we've already discussed before on previous episodes how we got into the show. So rather than repeat that again, not treat it like the Marvel, every episode is everyone's first episode or every issue's whatever.

A little bit we should.

Joshua Noel: 00:04:06

But we don't have time for that today.

Christian Ashley: 00:04:08

No, we have a lot to do today. So how much of Dr. Who have we both watched? I'm curious.

Joshua Noel: 00:04:14

I've seen all that I can get my hands on. There are still some stuff from the classic era that I can't seem to find, but I'm getting there. Yeah.

Which for those who don't know, this is like 60 years of TV. It's a lot. Yeah.

Christian Ashley: 00:04:31

Yeah. And of course, there are episodes that are lost time.

Back in the day, it wasn't really standard operating procedure to save everything, so stuff got rewritten over, it got tossed out. Some are lost in story arc on.

Joshua Noel: 00:04:43

Dvd that's not available in America, but.

Christian Ashley: 00:04:47

I am happy to say that there are some audio recordings left behind. So people have reanimated some scenes and, you know, they look a little janky, but know what? You get to see things in motion. It's fine.

So, yeah, I've seen pretty much everything that's been released that is still around, television wise. I haven't listened to any of the Big Finish stuff.

I. I've listened to podcast episodes of people talking about how they listen to it, and some of them sound really fun. So I've never read any of the novels that have come out, especially in the interim period in between the ending of the Seven Doctors time.

And then after the TV special for the eighth Doctor, there were some novels released, a lot of big finished stuff. So I haven't gotten any of that, but I've heard some really good. And I miss a lot of companions there.

Joshua Noel: 00:05:33

And Spotify, if I'm thinking right, it has all of the audiobooks free on Spotify, which. Yeah. So if you're a fan of the Big Finish stuff, a lot of it is on Spotify, I think all of the 8th Dr. Stuff.

But I'm not 100% sure on that, so don't quote me or yell at me in the comments.

Christian Ashley: 00:05:49

Yeah, not sponsored, but could put that anyway. So, Joshua, when it came to the idea of making this tier list of our favorite companions, like, what, What.

What was your criteria for picking your top five? I'm curious.

Joshua Noel: 00:06:06

Just what. I felt like. I don't have any real criteria this time. I was like, you know what? I like that one.

Christian Ashley: 00:06:16

Okay.

Joshua Noel: 00:06:16

I mean, in times past, I put a lot more thought into it, but this time I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna go with who I like the most. Just simple, you know, I mean, that.

Christian Ashley: 00:06:24

Is part of my unranking list. I'm not gonna say anything against that. It's like, do I like them or not? Yeah, that's a. That's a big reason to put them up there.

Part of it was also how I like their arcs. You know, how I liked the episodes they were in.

How many times would I say I got angry with them as a character because that kind of would bring other people down and, you know, as much as I. Then others, like, how do they play well with the Doctor or whoever. They're playing opposite.

They should be, like, able to carry themselves in a way with him. That brought some fun to the story and also helped build the two of them together. And also how much they challenged the Doctor.

I really put that in there, too.

Joshua Noel: 00:07:06

I will say, at least one of mine isn't higher up on the list because of story arcs. Like, I think I would have enjoyed them a lot more if the story were just better.

Christian Ashley: 00:07:16

Okay.

Joshua Noel: 00:07:17

Yeah.

Christian Ashley: 00:07:19

So, like, what. What, in your opinion, makes someone a good companion?

Joshua Noel: 00:07:23

Being named Christian. Ashley? Really? That puts them up there. If they're not named Christian, they're imperfect, so you gotta start there. It's a great, great criteria.

I mean, honestly, fun. Cause a large part of what the Doctor like, yeah, the Doctor saves people. He cares about people. He's whatever. But the Doctor isn't on, like, some.

Most of the time, he's not like, all right, here's what I want to accomplish in the universe. We're going to defeat the Galactic Empire. He's just kind of seeing what's out there and having a good time. So I feel like if the companion isn't fun.

Meh. And also really important here, how much like, a dog is the companion? If you're a dog, that makes you a really good companion.

Isn't that right, Copper? He said, yeah.

Christian Ashley: 00:08:09

Yes, we've got a literal one of Those on the list, I think, judging by that. Yeah. For me, it's once again, how well do they play with the Doctor? And I mean that in various ways.

They just take everything he says at face value, or do they push back a bit and ask questions? Do they just accept everything? Or do they go out and look out for something themselves?

Or accepting something in the midst of, you know, the techno babble and the weirdness and an alien is right in front of you. How do they react in the face of that? Do they just stand there and scream? Do they freeze? Do they improvise?

Like, what's something about them that makes them go, okay? They're different than if ex. Companion here had been here. They would have reacted this way. This wouldn't. Would have done it this way.

And, like, there's also got to be something to them to make me go, okay, I want the Doctor to be around you because you bring out this aspect of them that we wouldn't see if someone else were here.

Joshua Noel: 00:09:06

Yeah.

Christian Ashley: 00:09:07

How about a bad one? What do you think makes a bad companion?

Joshua Noel: 00:09:11

Not being named Christian Ashley.

Christian Ashley: 00:09:13

That too.

Joshua Noel: 00:09:14

Not being a literal dog. Not being fun. Being whiny. I think being whiny immediately makes it like, no. One, because I don't want to watch a whiny character.

Two, because the Doctor's just out trying to have a good time. And then, like, three is, you are literally with the Doctor. How much do you have to complain about?

Like, you know, it's kind of like when rich people complain about stuff and you're like, I don't care about your problems, so you're getting to hang out with the Doctor. I have a really hard time caring that much about you complaining of every little thing, you know, I mean, but.

Christian Ashley: 00:09:53

Still, though, there's plenty to complain about because they're in scenarios they're not prepared.

Joshua Noel: 00:09:57

For, because the Doctor complaining about legitimate situations and just being whiny. There are some characters that are just whiny, and I'm like, we're gonna have.

Christian Ashley: 00:10:07

An argument about something later on. I'm so ready for it.

Joshua Noel: 00:10:11

All right, go ahead.

Christian Ashley: 00:10:14

So before we head any further, go ahead and let's start off with our honorable mentions. Like, they would have probably made a list, but it's only five, so we had to narrow it down. What do you think? Who are your honorable mentions?

Joshua Noel: 00:10:26

I don't know why I had a harder time with this than anything. I'll say Sarah Jane. Sarah Jane's gonna make an honorable mention because she's cool. Rose Tyler, because it Used to be one of my top ones.

But as time's gone on and I've matured, I'm like. I don't necessarily like characters that immature. They kind of annoy me now.

But I still like the relationship with the Doctor, even though it is problematic. I enjoy that storyline. I'll just throw a third one in. Just to throw it in. I actually. I liked Ruby. I wish they would have done more with her.

Christian Ashley: 00:10:59

Yeah. But it would have been nice.

Joshua Noel: 00:11:00

She seemed pretty cool. They just didn't do enough with her for me to really be like, oh, yeah, that's one of my favorites, you know?

Christian Ashley: 00:11:07

Okay.

Joshua Noel: 00:11:07

Oh, then the one guy who thought he was the Doctor in that one special.

Christian Ashley: 00:11:11

Oh, you weren't big on.

Joshua Noel: 00:11:12

He was awesome. It's just really hard, someone off of a single.

Christian Ashley: 00:11:15

Oh, you were big on him. Okay.

Joshua Noel: 00:11:17

Oh, yeah, No, I loved him. It's just hard to pick someone based off of one special, you know, that's fair. Yeah.

Christian Ashley: 00:11:23

Yeah. I'm picking Ramona, too. I've always loved her. It was hard not to put her on this list, but the other characters just kind of edged her out. Amy Pon.

I love the relationship, some of the relationship she had with the Doctor. There were other parts of it I'm not huge on. Rose Tyler is also on my list. She was really. I mean, for the first companion of a new series.

She did well enough. She's never going to be my favorite, but there's enough there for fun.

It was also hard for me not to put Leela on my top five, because I love a woman whose solution to every problem is stab it or destroy it or whatever. You know what? It's just fun to have around. And then, of course, I also threw Susan on there.

I know that might be a weird one for someone, you know, being Doctor's daughter and everything shows up at the very beginning. But I loved her interplay with her grandfather. And all the lore we get potentially from that, that should have been focused.

Joshua Noel: 00:12:18

I want her to tease it.

Christian Ashley: 00:12:20

That would have been nice after being teased so long. But you know what? It's fine. They're coming back. It's just going to take longer than we want.

Joshua Noel: 00:12:28

Yeah, yeah, I'm with you on that. Since you mentioned Amy, I remembered I do also have to shout out honorable mention to Rory Williams.

I think the only reason he didn't make my list is because he has a relationship with Amy who's incredibly annoying.

Christian Ashley: 00:12:41

Okay.

Joshua Noel: 00:12:42

Yeah. And also, River Song has to get a shout out because. Oh, yes, it's River Song. She's awesome.

I think the only reason she didn't make my list is I can't for the life of me, I can't think of her as a companion. You know? Like, I'm just like. I know that maybe she technically counts, but my brain's like, no, she's her own.

Like, that would be like calling the Doctor someone's companion because he happened to be on an adventure with him. It's like, he's the Doctor. He's no one's companion. What are you talking about? I don't know. It's just a me thing, maybe.

Christian Ashley: 00:14:03

All right, so we're going to actually go into our list now. We'll be going, you know, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Joshua's going to start off where? I'm going to ask you what makes this character your favorite?

What's a great example of an episode that showcases who they are? How well did they play off the Doctor, and what don't we like about them? Or would we have liked to have seen more from.

Joshua Noel: 00:14:22

I should take my medicine again.

Christian Ashley: 00:14:24

Oh, gosh.

Joshua Noel: 00:14:27

It'S just. Yeah. Anyway, I have a little bit of brain fog today. I'm gonna go with Clara. She was awesome.

Really fun, smart, witty, played really well off of the Peter Capaldi Doctor. You know, I like their relationship and for a long time, because before I was married, when this came out, I liked her because she was pretty.

And I'm gonna be honest about it.

Christian Ashley: 00:14:50

Okay.

Joshua Noel: 00:14:51

Yeah. So she's gonna be a beautiful woman.

The main reason she's number five is because I. I feel like the story, like, plot wise, they were just like, oh, yeah. But also she's the greatest thing in all the universe. And I'm like, okay, that's. That's a little annoying, but that's not her fault.

That's just the writer's fault.

Christian Ashley: 00:15:09

Yes. Yeah, I agree with you there. It does kind of get a little over dramatic with how much she influences the Doctor's life.

And I'm fine with what they do ultimately, but some of the build up there is just. Just a little much.

Joshua Noel: 00:15:25

I do want to see her again, though, because that is technically a possibility. Also, I really hope the reason it's a restaurant is like a nod to Hitchhiker's Guide the Galaxy, but I mean, surely that's a discussion for another.

That would be a good what if. What were the questions I'm supposed to answer?

Christian Ashley: 00:15:43

What makes your. What makes the character one of your favorites?

Joshua Noel: 00:15:46

Did I do that?

Christian Ashley: 00:15:48

Kind of. What's a great example of an episode that showcases Clara. Okay.

Joshua Noel: 00:15:53

Mummy on the Orient Express. You see her doing some detective stuff. She's having fun. She's with Capaldi. And it's not one of those, like, pivotal.

The entire plot revolves around this story. She just gets to kind of be herself and you can kind of watch it by itself. So it's a really good episode. And mummies on a train in space.

That's one of those like. Like, as much as, like, Matt Smith's not my favorite. It's one of those where it's like dinosaurs on a spaceship. Like, there are somet.

The Doctor who just does stuff that you're like, yeah, yeah. That kid in me is like, yeah, this is what I always wanted when I dumped my toys out on the carpet.

Here's a train, here's a spaceship, here's a mummy. Great.

Christian Ashley: 00:16:34

That's part of the fun. Yeah.

Joshua Noel: 00:16:38

Would you say what I didn't like. I really feel like the main thing I didn't like is just how they kind of made everything pivot around her too much. And. But even with that, it's.

It's just. It's annoying because even with that, if you go to, like, the.

The Raven episode and you see, like, some of the ending with it, it's like she clearly did not approve of how the Doctor treated her or how every. Like, she didn't want everything to revolve around her. So I'm like, I still.

It's hard to hold it against her, but it does make the character annoying.

Christian Ashley: 00:17:08

And she does push back and I. I appreciate that, especially against 12. And he deserves a lot of pushback.

Joshua Noel: 00:17:15

Yeah.

Christian Ashley: 00:17:15

I didn't like her with ratio much.

Joshua Noel: 00:17:17

Yeah. But, yeah, 12. Great. Yeah.

Christian Ashley: 00:17:21

Okay, so we'll. If. Unless there's anything else you want to say about Clara.

Joshua Noel: 00:17:25

Ah, I'm good.

Christian Ashley: 00:17:28

Either one. It's pretty. It's pretty.

Joshua Noel: 00:17:31

I've heard a lot of them say Clara, but whenever Capaldi said it, it was always Clara. And I was like, which one is.

Christian Ashley: 00:17:36

That's the accent. The Clara. Okay, so I'm a yokel from North Kakalaki, so I say Clara.

Joshua Noel: 00:17:43

That. That Clara. Clarine.

Christian Ashley: 00:17:47

Them British people keep spaking. They say some words. All right, so we're going on to mine, and I'm picking Sarah Jane for my number five.

Joshua Noel: 00:17:58

Who's that?

Christian Ashley: 00:17:59

Yeah, I, like many of my age, were introduced to her during the revival series when she came along and became a companion of 10. Well, in the time of Rose Tyler again.

And I just loved the history that's without having seen the episodes, I knew this woman had a history with the Doctor, that she loved him, she knew what he was about, wanted to help him out, and it was just fun. And then later on, since I have watched those episodes from before, I can see her with three and four and how she plays with them.

The Fourth Doctor is my second favorite Doctor, and I know we're going to argue about that in a bit later on, but I love them together because they just meshed well. And I'm thinking of episodes that kind of showcase her. I'll pick one from each kind of era, revival and beginning, and it may not be one.

I mean, it's a popular episode, but I don't know if it'd be one people would use to solidify her as one of their favorite companions, but it's Sutek. Whichever. What's. I can never remember. I should have written these down before we did this pyramid to Mars. That's what it is.

Where she's like, but Doctor like, obviously it doesn't matter what we do here, because, you know, I'm from the future and if that can't happen because this, you know, all the time, you want to be stuff that happens there. And the Doctor said, okay, do you want to see something? And he takes it to the future.

If they did nothing and the Earth is a wasteland and it's that moment of realization that goes, oh, time traveling. What we do here matters. What we do here matters. And, like, seeing that kind of dawning on her, I love it.

To get the companion of these aren't just fun romps around history. Like, the Doctor is supposed to be here and he's supposed to be active, and the people with them are supposed to be active too.

Then from the revival parts, I'm going to have, like, her little face off with Rose. It's definitely a huge fun comedy scene, but it's also kind of one of those of like, oh, you've been with them. You think you're so great.

I did this with them. I did this with them. Black fought the Loch Ness monster with them. And she goes, oh. And it's.

It's a good way of showing, like, for classic who fans, when that was airing, they go, yeah, I watched that. I love that. And for new ones, like me was go, man, she really fought the Loch Ness monster.

And it's a great way of showing who she is, but also showing that there would be friction between companions if they ever met. Because, like, I've shared this with the Doctor and you shared this with them.

And of course, as the revival series was way more romantically focused than the original one was, even though there were hints that Sarah Jane kind of had a thing for him. I don't really know I was going with that other than, like, you could play it out a little more there.

And speaking of playing it off, three and her, I think they work fine enough together. It was kind of obvious. It was a time when he was about to leave. And then Baker comes along and there's just chemistry.

Like, they're, like, having fun. There's this ridiculous person in the costume there, and yet it's the greatest threat in the universe. And we're going to play it off like that.

She fights back to an extent with him. Not as much as I'd like to. You know, I think sometimes they're afraid of having a companion be too against the Doctor.

When a doctor is doing something wrong, they want to, like, have them push back, but they could go a little further because sometimes the Doctor needs to be called out. And I think Sarah Jane is that kind of person who do that really well.

Let's see what we don't like early Sarah Jane, when they first introduce her, is kind of the definition of a straw feminist. And, like, we want a hip character who's a woman. She's going to let you know she's a woman. And they thankfully start playing that down later on.

It's like, no, she never stops, you know, being a strong woman. But it's more like we're not telling you she is. She's going to show you that she is.

And if she was very guilty of character writers who were like, on the telling side of things early on, and unfortunately, you know, Elizabeth Sladen is her actress's name. She died way too young. And the Sarah Jane adventures were a lot of fun. I do miss that we didn't get a chance to see more of her.

I'd love to see her play off of Future Doctors again. Like what they've been doing with Mel.

Joshua Noel: 00:22:08

Yeah, this one with Mel. I forgot about Mel. Yeah.

She is also the reason I went back and watched Classic who, because I probably was just gonna watch the revival era stuff and then like, all those little rap like you were talking about, like, with, like, the Loch Ness Monster, and I'm like, wait a minute, there's more to this. And then I, I, yeah, she cost me a lot of money. That's why she didn't make my top five. Oh, man, that's funny. Anything else with.

With Sarah, that's me all right. Canine. He's one of my favorites because he's a dog.

What I don't like about him, he's not literally the only thing we see in every episode actually planning. He did have a spin off.

Christian Ashley: 00:22:57

Well, it was a pilot episode.

Joshua Noel: 00:23:01

26 episodes. Right. Or did they never make it? Maybe they never made it.

Christian Ashley: 00:23:06

I think there was a pilot one that they. They filmed, but it never got any further. But he's definitely in the Sarah Jane adventures.

Joshua Noel: 00:23:11

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Heavily in those. Also, he's. He's a dog. I don't know if anybody knows that. Also a robot, but a dog.

What were the other question I was supposed to answer? Best episode watch with him in it. Don't you have any of the ones? Yeah. Any episode that he's in is a good one to see why you should like him.

Because if you look at it, you'll see that he's a dog. I think that's it. I don't think I need to make a further case for this.

Christian Ashley: 00:23:39

He is a dog.

Joshua Noel: 00:23:40

Canine.

Christian Ashley: 00:23:42

I love canine, too. You know, the great part about him is he's not a literal dog, which means I can be around him for hours at a time and not.

Joshua Noel: 00:23:49

If I had canine as a pet. Christian could come over and hang out with him.

Christian Ashley: 00:23:54

Rather than having to take allergy pills and standing outside for a moment to get a breath of fresh air.

Joshua Noel: 00:23:59

My house is a zoo.

Christian Ashley: 00:24:01

It's fine. We work it out.

Joshua Noel: 00:24:03

Yeah.

Christian Ashley: 00:24:04

And I also. I just love how he's the kind of a definition of a servile snarker. Yeah.

I'm going to do what you tell me to do, but I'm also going to give you the business because you're a little haughty for your own good at times. 4. And I'm going to let you have it.

Joshua Noel: 00:24:20

And he sacrificed himself.

Christian Ashley: 00:24:22

Yeah. He's a good dog also. Good boy.

Joshua Noel: 00:24:25

Yeah. Companion you can rebuild if you want. It's great.

And I do also really enjoy how the show is, like, we're going to add this really cheesy thing in and play it off like it's not the cheesiest thing. I love it.

Christian Ashley: 00:24:35

This is super serious.

Joshua Noel: 00:24:37

Yeah. It's canine. What do you mean? You should be crying when he sacrificed himself for that third dime. And you know what? I think I might have.

Christian Ashley: 00:24:46

Okay.

Joshua Noel: 00:24:47

I love him.

Christian Ashley: 00:24:48

All right, well, next up on my docket is Brigadier Lethbridge Stewart. This is my guy. I love him in the show.

One of the most reoccurring characters on Doctor who in a Time when they had budget cuts aplenty, they were forcing Third Doctor to stay on Earth. And he had been introduced in the time of the second Doctor, but he really started to become the third and fourth Doctors kind of friends.

And later on other Doctors would encounter him and unfortunately, actor did pass away. Nicholas Courtney, I think is his name. And we get a little nice fitting tribute to him with Clara and the Doctor when the Cybermen are attacking.

Obviously, since it can put the actor there, they can put a guy in a Cyberman suit and show, you know, they're together that they're appreciating for one another in a final sacrifice for him in that regard. But what I love about him is that he's kind of an anti Doctor in many respects.

And he's not really like a classic companion in the sense that he always goes with the Doctor places in a tardis, but he goes with them places on Earth. You know, he's been in the TARDIS before, but it's not really like his big thing.

His job is in charge of unit, making sure that these alien threats are dealt with and that people don't die. And unfortunately, you know, since the show is what it is, his soldiers aren't as effective as they would be on another show.

So his idea of like 5 rounds rounds rapid isn't always going to work on a show that historically, well outside of certain parts of the show, definitely the revival era, doesn't like guns and doesn't like the army, but he's just the typical stiff upper lip British man, knows what he wants and not afraid to give the Doctor lip. If he's like, okay, you at least explain yourself or, you know this, oh, I see what your plan has gotten us now. You know, we're about to all die.

Like, that's just who the Brigadier is. And later on, when we see him in the Seven Doctors era, we see him in the midst of retirement and go like, I hate this so much.

I should be out there in the field. And he gets like one more chance to be out there in the field helping. What's the episode with, like the. The weird kind of Camelot stuff.

And it's so much fun to have him back. Yeah, definitely. I've seen some people say he's a little more divisive in their ranking lists, but I love him for who he is now. His daughter.

Joshua Noel: 00:27:15

I like his daughter.

Christian Ashley: 00:27:16

Oh, yeah.

Joshua Noel: 00:27:17

Kate is. At first I was like, but Kate, Kate's come around. I love her a lot.

Christian Ashley: 00:27:21

I think we reverse positions there. I liked her more before, and then she kind of got written less and less good along the way. Less well. So a great episode for him.

Like I mentioned, seventh Doctor's time. There's plenty from the Third Doctor where he's like, okay, I'm going to deal with this militarily.

Third Doctor's like, no, we have to negotiate peace. And they're both right and they're both wrong, and they play off of each other really well. They kind of.

They balance each other out, which is a good way of showcasing the both of them, because he's willing to stand up to the Doctor, but he's also willing to listen. Like, even if sometimes to his face, he's like, I'm not going to listen to you. He'll tell one of his assistants, hey, go and do the thing.

The Doctor said if my plan doesn't work out, so that, you know, there's a mutual respect there. As far as what I don't like, man, that's a tough one. Because really, there's not a lot.

I mean, there are some episodes where he's a little more unreasonable than others and not willing to listen to other people speak. And I think that's more a writing problem than a character problem. So I'll throw that out there.

Joshua Noel: 00:28:21

That's fair. That's fair. Trying to think of other things I can say. Nothing.

Christian Ashley: 00:28:26

Nothing.

Joshua Noel: 00:28:27

He's a good character also. Good character. My next pick is Wilfred.

Christian Ashley: 00:28:33

Nice.

Joshua Noel: 00:28:34

He is all not a dog. Probably his biggest flaw, but he is Wilfred. There's a big bonus. Not as good as being Christian, actually. I love him.

He's such a gentle soul and genuinely curious.

And he's the guy that I think every church needs who sees the hero, the Doctor or the pastor or whatever, and goes, wait a minute, you're a burden, too. And he sees it too often.

Like people see the strong person in your friend group or your family or church, whatever, and are just like, oh, man, yeah, they can handle anything. They're great. And they don't actually see the burden that they carry.

Wilfred sees it, which is why I think it was so poetic when the 10th doctor sacrificed himself for Wilfred, of all people, because it was the one person who sees the Doctor's pain. I love him. I really feel like his biggest flaw actually, probably is that he's not a dog. And also not in more episodes.

Also, he's related to Donna, and I just really don't like Donna. I can't stand her. But that literally, not nothing. Anything.

Like, there's nothing substantial to me, like, not Liking Donna, just like her personality is just like the kind of person I try to avoid just in real life. Yeah. And nothing against her, like actually against her, just kind of a.

Our personalities don't click and she just does so good on TV that she's a believable character. And unfortunately, I believe the character that I don't like. So I don't know, you know, it just is what it is.

A lot of times when he's there, she's there also. And putting up with her is hard for me sometimes. Yeah.

Christian Ashley: 00:30:09

It certainly helps too, with him specifically, is reminding the Doctor of his humanity. Yes, Doctor is inhuman, but of his morality again after he spent time trying to be like the last of the Time Lords, Time Lord victorious.

And that failing utterly because that's not who he's supposed to be.

He is supposed to be this person that cares about people, wants to make sure the right thing is done, not enforce his own will upon the world, and kind of reminds him.

And he makes a sacrifice because of his relationship with him that he wouldn't have done with someone else, which does lead us into 11 and gives us, the 10th doctor a way to give a final send off in that regard. So, yeah, a great voice.

Joshua Noel: 00:30:51

Yeah.

Two things I do want to say along with what you're saying too, whenever the 14th doctor gets to see Wilfred again and like, just how much joy that David Tennant shows is like, yeah, yeah, that's. That's what it's all about. Like that one moment and I'm like, yeah, that's why this character is important.

And then also, if I had to pick episode, I forgot to do that part.

Christian Ashley: 00:31:15

Oh, yeah.

Joshua Noel: 00:31:16

Stolen Earth and Journeys in. Because it's like a two parter. I think that's really good because, you know, a lot of good send offs there.

And it's not like final for his storyline, but you kind of see why he plays such an important role as kind of an ordinary human in the midst of a big, greater than life story, you know?

Christian Ashley: 00:31:35

Yes, great choice. All right, moving on to my next pick. I'm going with Jamie McCrimmon from the Second Doctor's era. This is a man who you just have to respect.

You know what? Because he is who he is and what he is who he is. He's a scotsman from the 18th century.

He's bleeding Scottish blood, wears the kilt, can't be anyone but himself. He'll punch a problem in the face if he needs to. He'll make the sacrifice play if he needs to.

He loves the people around him, the relationship he has with the second Doctor is. It's almost like they're brothers, but maybe also like a father and son. It's played not weirdly over time, but, like, in a fun way.

Of the two of them, it's like he's also one of the longest, if not the longest companion we've had, if I'm remembering correctly. And I think that's because people really responded to him. And that's kind of atypical because you.

You would expect young, blonde, British woman in her 20s or 30s for, like, the main Doctor's companion. Insert hair color, race here for everything else. But in that regard, he is like, yeah, the Doctor can have male friends, too.

They can be buddies, they can travel around time and cause problems and also solve problems.

And what he does is just fun to the point where he's brought back later on in the two Doctors episode, even though he looks way older, obviously, because, you know, time, humans age. But it's still fun because he's such a fan favorite and his relationship with the second Doctor, it's so much fun. I love them together.

Thinking of episodes that would showcase himself, I can think of kind of two. The war games as a whole is a good one because we. We get a great series with, like, this. This, like, Proto Master being involved with it.

Some people even said that might even be the Master. It's kind of all Fanon in their eyes, but dealing with these people from different time periods.

So as a person himself who's been plucked out of time to all this fantastical stuff, and he just kind of goes with this. The other part of I like about him, he's like, okay, that's a thing.

And I accept it now because you brought me to this future where these things exist. Like, it's not. He doesn't question anything, it's just like, well, I have to accept it because it's right in front of my eyes.

Joshua Noel: 00:33:51

Also, how much weirder does it get than the TARDIS anyway?

Christian Ashley: 00:33:55

Yes.

So, like, you know, that being one of his final series with the Doctor, and unfortunately, they do that thing, if I'm remembering correctly, like, he loses his memory of the Doctor, which is something that happens later on in my list too. It's so much fun to see him grow, to see him play. And, like, the interactions he has with the other companions around that time, too, is great.

Like I said, I've already mentioned, like, he and the Doctor are just. I'm gonna use the word fun again. They're fun because, yeah, like, they are like brothers one second. They're also like a father, son kind of duo.

They're both just kind of like, okay, this is the thing that's happening now, and we're teaming up because I can trust you to look after my back. And what better person can you have in your life than someone you don't need to turn around.

You know, they're guarding your back as you're guarding theirs, and that's perfect for Jamie and the second Doctor. Now, what I don't like.

Joshua Noel: 00:34:47

I'm deeply upset. I didn't think about Jamie. We were just. You are correct, I am incorrect, and I apologize to the Internet. Yeah, yeah.

Christian Ashley: 00:34:59

We expect the second apology video later on. Hands on knees, bowing lowly to the audience. No, it's fine. How many companions are there? That's a lot.

Joshua Noel: 00:35:10

Yeah, but.

Christian Ashley: 00:35:11

And then narrowing them down. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I guess I hate his ending to an extent. He deserves a little better.

Joshua Noel: 00:35:20

Most companions do deserve better with their endings.

Christian Ashley: 00:35:23

Yeah.

Joshua Noel: 00:35:24

Clara might be the only one who. I'm like. I'm kind of satisfied that it's.

Christian Ashley: 00:35:27

Hmm.

Joshua Noel: 00:35:28

Not the only one, but close. Close to the only one.

Christian Ashley: 00:35:32

I would like there to be, like, maybe something where it's possible for his memory to be restored and maybe his, like, kind of last final days and Doctor goes back and visits him one last time, and it solved one last mystery together. You know, if they can do that in a later season, I don't know if the actor's still alive. I'd appreciate it.

Joshua Noel: 00:35:49

That would be cool. That'd be really cool. Yeah.

Christian Ashley: 00:35:52

What about you, Joshua? Your next pick?

Joshua Noel: 00:35:54

Okay, all right, my next pick. I'm not sure if you've heard of them, Brigadier. It's gonna be my number two. Is there my two or three? I'm at two. Right. Yeah. Number two.

Christian Ashley: 00:36:07

Two.

Joshua Noel: 00:36:09

Oh. Everything that Christian said was correct. That's all Christian was Right.

The biggest thing I had against him was he did spend a lot of time with the third Doctor. I can't stand the third Doctor. It gets on my nerves. The whole car thing. Dumb. His whole personality kind of dumb. Sorry. Appreciate the actor's work.

I know he did. You know, he did great. Doctor who when he was the Doctor was not a show I want to watch, but his time with the second.

Christian Ashley: 00:36:40

Doctor, for budget cuts.

Joshua Noel: 00:36:42

I love the second Doctor. Second Doctor is fantastic. All the times he showed up after that. Except for that one time, if, you know. You know. Great. For me, though, the.

The episode I would pick is a. My go to for the Brigadier. Web of fear. I love that. You get the yeti, you get the second Doctor, you get the Brigadier.

That may be one of the best Doctor who story arcs point blank. And his role in it really shows why he is everything Christian said. And I love him. Yeah.

That's all this is just an episode where Christian gets his back padded the whole time going, wow, Christian, you're so right. And I'm not as good as you. He had Cheney. Right. He got Brigadier. Right. And I'm just here back until now.

Christian Ashley: 00:37:34

Yeah. Before we go that way. Yeah. Like I said earlier, this is the man.

Like, if I want someone leading my military organization, like, how can you not trust that he's going to make the right decisions?

Joshua Noel: 00:37:45

Yeah, you don't get a mustache like that if you don't know what's going on.

Christian Ashley: 00:37:51

And is it Kate who says, like, later on, like, when he was older, he would always, like, get a drink of brandy, a cup of brandy or something like that, and tea. And he'd always have a second one, just in case the Doctor ever showed up again. Yeah, it's like, what a friendship, man. They need that.

Joshua Noel: 00:38:09

They need a few really good shorts, especially, like the one with the fifth Doctor and the Tenth Doctor.

I think one of the shorts we need is the Doctor just going and showing up one of those times that he poured that second cup of brandy, just like a final farewell, you know, that'd be cool.

Christian Ashley: 00:38:25

It's kind of like, you know, leaving an open spot at Passover for Elijah, you know, but every single day.

Joshua Noel: 00:38:31

Yeah. Crazy.

Christian Ashley: 00:38:33

It is Elijah, right?

Joshua Noel: 00:38:34

I didn't know I was just going.

Christian Ashley: 00:38:35

To go with it.

Joshua Noel: 00:38:36

You're the one who mastered the Divine.

Christian Ashley: 00:38:39

I think that was the tradition. Okay, so here we go to the most controversial take yet for Joshua's side of things. And I'm picking my girl, Donna Noble.

Donna starts off as the biggest shrew in the world, and I did not like her. And you're not supposed to like her. Starting off, that's the intended effect of her character.

She is loud, brash, demanding, gets in the way of things.

But then when she realizes her marriage is a sham, that things aren't going to go the way she wants, that she's actually seeing what a real hero looks like, she changes to the point where, not even being with the Doctor, she's investigating things on her own because she's seen the wide whole world revealed to herself of aliens being real and that they're on Earth. So what does she do? She doesn't become passive. About it, she does something about it.

So when she meets up with 10 again, they get that great scene of the both of them like mouthing at each other from opposite sides of a room that I can't hear each other. While the villains are monologuing over here and they finally notice them. It's so much fun to see them band together again.

And then the way one thing kind of combine answers to questions here, it's how she relates to 10 that really helps push her to where I have her here, because after three straight seasons of the Doctor is my boyfriend. Donna's like, nope, shutting that down. You're not mating with me, spaceman. We're done with that. We're just, we're just mates.

And I needed that so desperately because Rose is fine and you get Martha right back to back. It was so annoying. And Martha deserved better as a character just to not be yet another token love interest or pine. Yeah, one sided.

Joshua Noel: 00:41:26

I wanted her to be one of my shout outs too. I forgot.

Christian Ashley: 00:41:28

Yeah, I love Martha, deserved better. But what Donna does is she comes in, yeah, she still has that fiery will.

Like it hasn't died in her, but now it's been redirected to actually caring about other people and looking out for them and making sure the Doctor who is our best mate, making sure he's okay. And when she's gone, what happens after that?

That's how we end up with the Time Lord Victorious, because he doesn't have someone like her around to keep him in line. And that's exactly why companions exist.

They make sure the Doctor doesn't get into the darker aspects of himself, the ones where he's unhinged, the ones where he goes back to what he was doing at certain points of his life, where he wasn't as on a straight and narrow as he should have been. And Donna was a great way of doing that.

And when she had what I thought would be her ultimate ending and that she lost all memories of everything and she had regressed to who she was before, it was such a tragedy because you'd seen how she had grown.

But, you know, for all the many flaws of the most recent seasons, I will say it was great to have her back, to have that undone by the same man who did it, and to give her a new chance at life and to show that even though she had lost some of it, a part of it had remained and she was looking out at for other people, she was helping them out, she had become a better person. So that was part of her working with the Doctor, and I love that about her. Now, what I don't like is.

I mean, it's what I'm not supposed to like is at the very start how she is, but I appreciate who she becomes over time. And I hated.

I hated her original ending of losing memories of the Doctor, of all the things that she had done, because that's not what a hero deserves. But it was overdone undone, so I can't complain about it too much now.

Joshua Noel: 00:43:04

My biggest gripe is, instead of her losing memories, I wish they would have let me lost my memory of her. That would have been great. No, I mean, to me, I honestly feel like she had one of the greatest friendships with the Doctor of anybody.

She really helped the Doctor more than anybody.

But it kind of would be like, you know, we had, like, a group of friends, and, like, I was having Christian over for, like, Thanksgiving or something, and he made a new best friend that was really good for him, and they help each other and they're wonderful, but I find his new best friend to be the most annoying human ever. And then he's like, can I bring her over with me for Thanksgiving or him over? And, like, I know they're just friends.

And I'm like, man, yeah, she's really good for Christian, but do I really want her to ruin my Thanksgiving? That's how I feel about her. It's like, I get that she's good for the Doctor.

Do I really want her with the tenth Doctor ruining episodes that I might enjoy otherwise? Not really. That's all. And it's just a personality thing. She is great.

Christian Ashley: 00:44:03

And he's back.

Joshua Noel: 00:44:04

They're great together. I just don't want to have to see her.

Christian Ashley: 00:44:10

All right, let's go. Countdown begins to our final number one for Joshua, the top companion of all time. Let's hear it.

Joshua Noel: 00:44:18

Romana.

Christian Ashley: 00:44:20

Romana, she's great.

Joshua Noel: 00:44:22

You have the same thing. Like, no romantic relationship stuff, like, good best friend thing, but also a Time Lord. I always feel like it's so.

To me, there's always just a little bit of weirdness with the Doctor going around with a human. I'm like, I get it. It's cool.

I don't want him to be, like, species or racist or something, but, like, at some point, we live such finite lives compared to him. Like, I just always felt like he would have more in common with another Time Lord. And I feel like they that case that really well with Romana.

They have a lot of fun, their adventures are great, and you get to see the Doctor do that thing where it's like, let me show you the things that I love about this, about this other world, about this other place. And their adventures together are just so lively. Fourth Doctor isn't my favorite. He's not my least favorite.

He's probably, like, right in the middle for me, actually, but he meant them together. Still. Great. Romana is great. One of my favorite episodes is City of Death, which I think she showcased pretty well in that one, so. And you get Paris.

It's just fun. And you kind of see the beginning of the world. It's a great story arc.

Ramona is great fun and to me, just probably is the companion that made the most sense to me, other than, like, his granddaughter and some. Some of stuff like that. I'm like, this one just made sense and I liked it.

Christian Ashley: 00:45:41

Adding on a Time lady into the series makes a lot of sense, you know, especially as they're starting to flesh out Gallifrey and the Time Lords a little bit more.

Joshua Noel: 00:45:50

Yeah.

Christian Ashley: 00:45:51

We can see how. Why the Doctor is such an outcast. Yes. In his own society. And what another person in that society would think about him and Ramana.

One and two play it very well. I prefer two to one.

Joshua Noel: 00:46:02

Me too.

Christian Ashley: 00:46:03

I mean, they're good for different reasons. Yeah.

Joshua Noel: 00:46:05

I concur. What I don't like about her, I don't think they gave her enough depth, if that makes sense.

I. I liked her personality, but it felt almost like they just didn't flesh the character out enough. Like she's almost just two dimensional, and I'm like, I wish they would have given more to her because it made sense to have a Time lady along.

I like that they were having fun, that she really brought a lot of spark to the Doctor. I just never. And maybe this is because I didn't.

It's been a while since I've seen some of these episodes, but I never was like, I don't get your motives. You know what I mean? Okay. Yeah. Like, I under. Usually when the Doctor's doing what he's doing, I get it. I know why he's doing it.

Most of the other companions, even Rose, I'm like, I get why you want to be a part of this.

Christian Ashley: 00:46:44

Her.

Joshua Noel: 00:46:45

I'm like, I like this, but I'm still. It's just like something just didn't quite click. She's still my favorite. I love her. I'm just trying to find a flaw and that's the best I got.

Christian Ashley: 00:46:55

That's fair. That's fair. Yeah. And that's something that We.

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be negative Nancy here about later seasons, and that's something we've lost due to certain decisions made.

To kill Gallifrey again after it had just been undone, is that we lose the ability for the Doctor to be around his own people and to see how they react to him. And sure, there's always something out there where there could be, like the meddling monk could still be out there.

The Master most definitely is still out there. But what about Romano? We don't know. What about Susan? We don't know.

What about other people who we haven't been introduced yet that we could have had if they were still around?

Joshua Noel: 00:47:34

Romana 3, that would be great. Listen, RTD, if you're listening Romana 3, just. Just give it to Miss.

Christian Ashley: 00:47:42

Yeah. If you haven't clicked off, you know, because I've been criticizing you. Yes. Please give us a Romana 3.

Joshua Noel: 00:47:49

Yeah.

Christian Ashley: 00:47:50

Oh, and we've also lost the Ronnie too. Thanks for that.

Joshua Noel: 00:47:53

Romana 3. Canine. That's the new companions. Make it happen.

Christian Ashley: 00:47:59

All right, Anything else for Romano?

Joshua Noel: 00:48:01

Oh, yeah, I did forget to mention, she isn't a dog, so there is that. It is true. Not a dog, unfortunately.

Christian Ashley: 00:48:12

All right, now for my number one drum roll, please, we have Ace. I adore Ace so much.

I know you're not as big on a seventh Doctor as I am, but that timeline never wanted deserved better because it was when the show was about to be canceled, we didn't get to see certain things that were supposed to happen with her and the seventh Doctor.

Joshua Noel: 00:48:37

I do really like the seventh Doctor, though.

Christian Ashley: 00:48:38

Oh, you do? Who am I thinking of then?

Joshua Noel: 00:48:40

Oh, I don't know.

Christian Ashley: 00:48:42

Someone said probably didn't like 7 as much. Maybe it was Joe. We'll throw him under bus. Love you, Joe.

But Ace is the kind of the definition of scrappy without being a Scrappy Doo, like, has a love for exploration, has a love for figuring things out, for playing people against each other, for talking back to the Doctor. I mean, who else in the entire history of the show has not called him the Doctor?

They just call him the professor because she kind of knows it's under his skin.

Joshua Noel: 00:49:13

I will say, though, yeah, I love Scrappy Doo. And one of the things that Scrappy Doo has against her, he's a dog.

Christian Ashley: 00:49:21

Yeah, I do it. And you know what? She's just awesome and fun. She plays well with the Doctor, she reacts well to things happening around her.

If she had been written way earlier in the show, she would have been the screaming Woman. But no, she like, she. She takes charge, but also knows her limitations.

And she also has a healthy expiration of explosives to the point where the Doctor knows that she always has something on her person, even though he knows she's not supposed to and he's told her not to, and yet she does anyways. Because they both love and respect each other. They know that part of themselves. And I mean, for those in TV tropes lore, one thing you know is the.

The creation of the page crowning moment of awesome comes back to Ace, because they were trying to describe the scene of her with her hand of Omega enhanced baseball bat beating the hell out of a Dalek. What other character in history has done that with a baseball bat? No one else. There's only Ace. There's a reason she calls Ace because she's the best.

And I love that it's a great episode for her. But also there's. Is it the Curse of Fenrin? I can't remember off the top of my head.

It's the one where the Doctor has to like, tell her, talk down to her, to destroy her belief in him, to. For the events of that episode to happen, in a way, and destroying her confidence.

And yet she realizes eventually what he was doing and she becomes better for it, knowing, yeah, I do have flaws, I need to work on those flaws. And had we had other seasons, we would have seen that occur.

And in fact, one of the plans were for her to become a person in training to become a Time Lady. How is that happening? That's something we've never discovered. Can a human being become a Time Lord? Is that something that's just genetic?

Is it something scientifically that could be done, like the plans were to make her be one?

Joshua Noel: 00:51:12

In the Dr. Z movie, it is said that the Doctor is part human. But the question of if that's true and how canon it is, there's stuff.

Christian Ashley: 00:51:21

We're not going to open that can of worms.

Joshua Noel: 00:51:22

No. Nope, not today.

Christian Ashley: 00:51:24

Now, as far as her playing off to the Doctor perfection. Chef kiss. She's a rowdy, angsty teen who's becoming an adult.

But at the same time there is a respect for him because she understands a little bit of who he is and what he does.

But also there's that predilection for not listening to authority, to where he's going to tell her to do something, and then she'll go and do the exact opposite, thinking it's a good idea. And chances are it is. But also he knows that. So they're playing you off of each other. It's like, who?

I told you this knowing you would do this, knowing I would say this so you would do that. And as someone who loves convoluted things like that, that's fun to see that play out.

And I also love characters who love each other deeply and just snipe back and forth at each other because it's built off of that love. I want to, like, get under your skin just because I love you and you love me. Oh, of course. See, that's why we work so well together.

Joshua Noel: 00:52:21

I love you, too, Lex.

Christian Ashley: 00:52:25

Now, what I would have. What I don't like about Ace, I mean, she's not a perfect character by any stretch of the imagination. Kind of is to me.

And I think it through no fault of her own, it's because the series was canceled and we didn't get as much of her story as we could have.

Now, from what I understand, some of the novels do pick up on her story from here about her going to Gallifrey and, like, studying to become a Time Lady. And I know later on we get mentions of her starting the charitable Earth foundation, obviously, Ace standing for her.

And so it shows that she went beyond where she started as like, this punk teenager into someone much bigger who cared about the world and wanted to look out for them. And even without seeing her on screen, I appreciate that.

Joshua Noel: 00:53:10

Yeah, yeah. My only thing with her, the explosives thing, and a lot of her, like, characteristics felt a little gimmicky to me.

She would have got a shout out, though, if I remembered her. The problem is, to me personally, a lot of Doctor who with, like, the six and seventh Doctor storylines are just forgettable.

Like, I'm just, like, I forget. That's fair. Like, and I like those Doctors. Like, I think. And I'm really glad that Sylvester McCoy got the Hobbit role, too.

Like, he's awesome, but, like, I don't.

Christian Ashley: 00:53:41

Know what it is.

Joshua Noel: 00:53:41

It's just the show in this time, it's like, I feel like most of what we've done, we've already did, and most of what we haven't done before didn't need to be done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we needed that. New life needed to be regenerated.

Christian Ashley: 00:53:55

All right, well, those were our top five Doctor who companions. We'd love to have you guys in the comments down below. If we have to do another episode, I guess I'll change my.

Joshua Noel: 00:54:05

In two years, I'll do this episode again and I'll have a different five from the last this time. And Last time.

Christian Ashley: 00:54:12

So, yeah, feel free to leave a comment, let us know, like, who your favorite companions are or why you think we're off base for having who we have.

But before we head to our wrap up, we are going to be doing a special bonus question for this one, and that is if we could switch doctors for the companions to work with. So say I sent Ace from, I don't know, 7 to 13 or 7 to 1 or whatever. Like, who would we switch and with whom?

So if you're interested in that and all the other special content that we have that is exclusive to 4th Wall, head that way. Joshua, anything you want to add before we wrap things up?

Joshua Noel: 00:54:47

If you haven't, look at a picture of canine. He's a dog. Yeah, yeah.

Christian Ashley: 00:54:53

You always get the most riveting stuff here. That's systematic ecology, deep, deep stuff.

Joshua Noel: 00:54:58

You want to dig deep into your geekology, look up a picture of canine and see that he's a dog.

Christian Ashley: 00:55:03

All right, here's how you can redeem yourself for me. Why don't you tell me what your recommendation for the audience is.

Joshua Noel: 00:55:12

Okay. I'm gonna recommend kind of a comic book.

This is a comic that looks like a deck of cards, and it is also a deck of cards called Ice Cream man, the Mortal Coil Shuffle. It doesn't have a issue number. It's its own story told through cards. It's wild. It's just. It's so good.

If you're a fan of, like, classic style horror telling, it's a good story. I highly recommend it. And very unique medium that I think paid off in this instance.

Christian Ashley: 00:55:46

Yeah, I'm going to recommend what I just saw not too long ago, and that is the newest reimagining of Frankenstein, which was so good, a lot of fun. I really enjoyed what they did with it. Yeah, there are some changes.

Not as bad as, like, say, the: 1930

It is del Toro, right?

Joshua Noel: 00:56:19

I hate to say his name. Right. I was just gonna go with the Guillermo del Toro. Yeah, yeah.

Christian Ashley: 00:56:24

I'm having that panicky moment of I said someone's proper name and did I misattribute who it was? And even though I know that's the right answer, it's like looking at a word that, you know, that's how it's spelled.

And you're like day is not T H E Y who spells it any other no yeah anyways not a little off that grand rabbit trail. Thank you guys for all that you do.

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